Boy, that didn't take long!
Posted on 11/16/2010 5:49:08 PM PST by Kaslin
Security: We're not made safer by the TSA's authorized groping of Americans, full-frontal nudity scans of passengers or 3-year-olds pulled aside for holding on to their teddy bears. One young American has had enough.
It wasn't exactly "Don't Tread on Me" or "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death." But when John Tyner, a 31-year-old software programmer from Oceanside, Calif., refused a TSA "groin check," he uttered words soon to adorn boxers and briefs of freedom lovers everywhere: "You touch my junk, and I'm going to have you arrested."
Tyner refused what he considered "a huge invasion of privacy" while attempting to board a flight at San Diego International Airport. He "opted out" of the full-body scanner, which leaves nothing to the imagination, settling for the traditional metal scanner and a basic pat-down. But the groin check, in his view, went too far.
Tyner had turned on his cell phone's video camera and placed it atop the luggage he sent through the X-ray machine. The conversation between him and a TSA supervisor was, er, revealing. The supervisor explained that if he refused, he would not be allowed to fly and would be escorted out. Tyner responded: "OK, I don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying."
"This is not considered a sexual assault," the supervisor said.
"It would be if you were not the government," replied Tyner.
"By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights," countered the supervisor. Oh. We wonder if Benjamin Franklin, having said that those willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither, would submit to a groin check.
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No, you should definitely ride on another plane. You know, the one full of sheep.
But . . . But . . . it’s for our security.
I think that in the name of National Security, The Capitol Building and the White House should have the same level of security as airports. Yeah, Full Body Scanners need to be placed at every entrance. If Pilots and Aircrews must submit to scans in order to go to work, then ALL Congressmen and Senators need to be scanned every time they enter the Capitol Building. Our heightened level of security must also demand that the President and his family be scanned every time they enter the White House.
Yeah, that should do it. You can’t be to careful when it comes to our National Landmarks.
Nope, your "secure airline" flight still only actually screens about three of every ten passengers with the strip-search scanner or the gropathon, but at least YOU feel safer because you know that some of the passengers on your flight don't mind being invasively probed or photographed.
So you believe the Govt has a right to do this? When do you say enough is enough? Do you even have a breaking point, or are just a sheep? This is not what our founding fathers intended, and you can damn sure bet none of this has made us any safer. You are what we call a usefull idiot, because without chumps like you who are willing to go along to get along, there would never be a TSA.
Is this the ONE or just the wannabeone? How about telling all of us that beleive its more Constitutional to profile than peek on us non-terrorists, what flight you’ll be on and we’ll be sure to not take it.
This should be litigated all the way to the Supreme Court.
I have no problem with “suspects” of criminal activity getting searched all the way into their anal cavity (which I presume would currently be unlawful in some states), but to subject Americans to ‘RANDOM’ groping by security personnel (or ‘anyone’ for that matter) is highly immoral and totally out-of-bounds with respect to everyone’s civil liberties.
This is the brainstorm of an administration that void of any regards for the rights and freedoms of Americans, so long as ‘they’ look and ‘appear’ to be doing ‘something’ about terrorism.
These people to should dragged and inquisitioned on Capitol Hill.
This Tyner fella should sue the crap out of the TSA and their stupid assinine policy.
The terrorists have won.
Not sure how true this is, but I heard somewhere that the screening machines are made by a company that good ole George Soros owns. It would be very interesting to see if that were true.
I think they could search everyone. That could be the policy of the Secure Airline. And it would be achievable because the folks who won’t go along with it will be boarding the other airline, so there will be fewer folks to search. Of course, it would cost a bit more, but you get additional security. The only question is whether there would be enough passengers who would pay the additional cost for the additional security, given they would have to submit to the search. The big problem with the current system is that it’s a one size fits all system. Government tells you what level of security there will be, and you’ve got to submit, even if you want more security, or less security. Government has no business doing that, and that is why there is such a fuss about this. Let the marketplace decide. If you buy a seat on the Secure Airline, you’re not in a very good position to complain that you’re being searched. Conversely, if you buy a seat on the other airline, you’re not in a very good position to complain about inadequate security. You get what you pay for.
Drip, drip, drip...Can’t you hear the erosion of our freedoms? Unlike you, not everyone supports your wish for creeping fascism.
You’ve got it backwards. It’s the current system where the government dictates the level of security—not mine. You want the current system, but just a lower level of government-dictated security. In my system, the consumer decides. He has a choice which airline to fly. In your system with the lower level of security, some will still complain that it’s too intrusive, while others will complain that it’s not thorough enough. But whatever the level of security there is under your system will be ordered by the government, just as it is now.
"If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."
You are not reading my posts. The erosion of your freedoms occurs when it’s the government that makes these decisions. But you’re not proposing that the government be kept out of it. You’re just proposing that the government order a lower level of security which you prefer and someone else objects to. Where is the freedom in that? It’s still mandated by the government. If you let the consumer decide which level of security to have by choosing a different airline, then you truly have freedom.
I've been thinking something similar: we need to start demanding that all the bloody DC oligarchs submit to these scans and make them available. Starting with Napolitano and that horrid communist couple in the White House.
They're telling us to sit down and shut up, that it doesn't represent an unreasonable search? Then let the @#$%@$ing politicians demonstrate how reasonable it is! Let's see them submit to a strip search.
I am going to give an honest report of going through security this morning. Some may not like it, but here it is.
I rarely get pulled aside for the random screen, but guess what, this morning must have been my lucky number or something. I was given the asked to go through the new x-ray machine. I opted for the pat down.
The agent had me wait a moment while they found an available agent to do the search. I was passed through the metal detector, my carry on items were collected, and all were taken to the location just behind the machines where these searches are performed (unless you further request a ‘private screening’ which I did not).
The agent, a young Asian man, mid twenties I guess, explained what he was going to do, and in the manner you would expect, I was asked to hold my arms up, palms up. He performed his search in a ‘top to bottom’ ‘back to front’ manner. He was thorough, but professional. To my relief, on the thigh pats he stopped about an inch or two low, and never ‘touched my junk’. I think the most uncomfortable part of the screen was the ‘inside the belt line’ screen, the purpose of which I am still not sure as he did not touch me there, but rather went around the inside of the belt line of my pants.
I was done in about 5 minutes. While I found the process to be an annoyance, and I do not agree with random screenings like this (would prefer they profile like good cops should), I have to say that given I was polite, everyone on the TSA side was polite and professional about the entire process.
I don't condone this, so I don't want anyone thinking that I am satisfied with whats going on. On the other hand, I was not groped or fondled or treated disrespectfully either. That does not mean its not occurring elsewhere. I can only report my experience today.
As one who would prefer not to have to deal with this, my recommendation is that everyone who is randomly chosen should opt for the pat down. 1) I don't like the unknown health risks of the machines. 2) If you want something that is useless and annoying to be changed, make it so that TSA has to work so so hard with manual screens, it gums up the airport traffic flow to the point where they have to find more practical and meaningful solutions. FWIW.
I am going to give an honest report of going through security this morning. Some may not like it, but here it is.
I rarely get pulled aside for the random screen, but guess what, this morning must have been my lucky number or something. I was given the asked to go through the new x-ray machine. I opted for the pat down.
The agent had me wait a moment while they found an available agent to do the search. I was passed through the metal detector, my carry on items were collected, and all were taken to the location just behind the machines where these searches are performed (unless you further request a ‘private screening’ which I did not).
The agent, a young Asian man, mid twenties I guess, explained what he was going to do, and in the manner you would expect, I was asked to hold my arms up, palms up. He performed his search in a ‘top to bottom’ ‘back to front’ manner. He was thorough, but professional. To my relief, on the thigh pats he stopped about an inch or two low, and never ‘touched my junk’. I think the most uncomfortable part of the screen was the ‘inside the belt line’ screen, the purpose of which I am still not sure as he did not touch me there, but rather went around the inside of the belt line of my pants.
I was done in about 5 minutes. While I found the process to be an annoyance, and I do not agree with random screenings like this (would prefer they profile like good cops should), I have to say that given I was polite, everyone on the TSA side was polite and professional about the entire process.
I don't condone this, so I don't want anyone thinking that I am satisfied with whats going on. On the other hand, I was not groped or fondled or treated disrespectfully either. That does not mean its not occurring elsewhere. I can only report my experience today.
As one who would prefer not to have to deal with this, my recommendation is that everyone who is randomly chosen should opt for the pat down. 1) I don't like the unknown health risks of the machines. 2) If you want something that is useless and annoying to be changed, make it so that TSA has to work so so hard with manual screens, it gums up the airport traffic flow to the point where they have to find more practical and meaningful solutions. FWIW.
So you are traveling in some parallel universe where they have the kind of security system you envision? No? Then feel free to FEEL more secure because you don’t object to invasive “security” procedures, exposing yourself to a gawker viewing the scanner or to a grope session with some guy named Bubba. Of course that doesn’t mean that the guy going thru the line behind you isn’t packing an explosive tampon up his butt, or that security will detect it even if they do grope him right after they finish groping you.
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