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Mark Rubios Parents
vanity | Nov 6, 2010 | Chatter4

Posted on 11/05/2010 10:19:53 PM PDT by chatter4

With all the talk of many conservatives hoping that Mark Rubio could one day run for President, I have a few questions. From the information available on the Web, It is said that Mark Rubio's parents were here in exile from Cuba. That would imply that they had hopes of returning there one day. Did his parents ever become US citizens? Did they become US citizens prior to Mark's birth?


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To: chatter4

1. Who wants him to be president?

2. He is for amnesty.


141 posted on 11/06/2010 10:15:29 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: truth_seeker

Natural born citizen..the parents must be US Citizens and their children are born in the US. obama does not meet those qualifications. Have no idea the citizenship status of Mr. Rubio.

We cannot make citizens into natural born citizens just because we like them.

Do not diminish Mr. Vattel..his book is listed in the Constitution. Law of Nations.


142 posted on 11/07/2010 2:23:33 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: WhiskeyX

Sorry, but you are wrong. Besides what does that long and boring tirade have to do with the subject of this thread?


143 posted on 11/07/2010 4:57:50 AM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: fabian

Amen!


144 posted on 11/07/2010 5:49:05 AM PST by samantha (The New Media fighting the DBM for our Sanity, Survival ,Soldiers.)
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To: La Enchiladita
Yes, not ignorance like people calling Kendrick Meek, Meeks (like the felon Congressman in NY),but deliberately screwing up his name.
145 posted on 11/07/2010 5:59:50 AM PST by samantha (The New Media fighting the DBM for our Sanity, Survival ,Soldiers.)
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To: Lou Budvis

I think their question has to do with Article 1, section 2.


146 posted on 11/07/2010 6:11:55 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: Jess79
As good a candidate as he would be, if that is the case, we need to move on to the next qualified candidate. That is what the immoral democrats should have done, instead of shoving a teleprompter reading puppet of change down our throats.
147 posted on 11/07/2010 6:14:26 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: McGavin999
Unless Rubio's parents became U.S. citizens prior to his birth in Florida, he is NOT a Natural Born citizen.

Founder and Historian David Ramsay defines Natural Born Citizen in 1789

148 posted on 11/07/2010 7:19:55 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert

As I said earlier in this thread, his parents came in 1959. The US made it very easy for Cuban exiles to become citizens. I have read that of those who came to the US before 1980 9 out of 10 are US citizens.


149 posted on 11/07/2010 9:11:57 AM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: WhiskeyX
It would be true if there were no provisions for expatriation and naturalization, but there are such provisions in the United States of america

Ummm. Yeah. There are. Like say, the 14th Amendment. So that passage of French Law that Birthers are so enamored of, is not the be all, and end all, of the question "just what is a natural born citizen, of the United States, since the adoption of the 14th Amendment." And if French law doesn't save Birtherism, then it has to rely on proving was born in Kenya.

150 posted on 11/07/2010 12:51:45 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: cherry
don't start with this crap newbie....if your PINO can waltz in without a BC or a marriage cert or work history or school history or records and can have someone else's SS number I sure as hell am not going to listen to you DUmmies talking about Rubio's parents...

go back to DU...

Interesting response. I guess anyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is immediately branded as a DUmmie. I see your signup date is 2000. It may interest you to learn that I have been on this board since the Clinton years. I not only know what 'hugh' and 'series' mean, but I was there on the original thread when those mistakes were made. I never felt the need to post until a few weeks ago so I never signed up, but that's not really any of your business. Keep your insults to yourself.

You may not like to hear the truth, but there are at least 4 Supreme Court cases that have clarified what was meant by the term "natural born citizen." Maybe you should educate yourself on the facts before arbitrarily DUmping on someone else. And yes, this same definition applies to the current fraud in the WH. Unfortunately, we have a corrupt Democrat Party, a corrupt press, and a corrupt judiciary who have managed to cover up for him for the past two years. Marco Rubio is fine man and a patriotic American. He will make a great Senator, but if his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth, he is just as inelible to hold the office of President as Obama.

151 posted on 11/07/2010 1:19:33 PM PST by Jess79
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To: Pilsner
Ummm. Yeah. There are. Like say, the 14th Amendment. So that passage of French Law that Birthers are so enamored of, is not the be all, and end all, of the question "just what is a natural born citizen, of the United States, since the adoption of the 14th Amendment." And if French law doesn't save Birtherism, then it has to rely on proving was born in Kenya.
First, you may want to consider dropping your use of the perjorative insults and innuendo and apologize to the readers. It makes you look ignorant and destroys the credibility of anything further you may have to say. Second, your comments about "passage of French Law" and the adoption of the 14th Amendment appear to ba an unintelligible muddled mish mash of nonsense. Your usage of the terminology suggests you don't have a clue about the origins or meanings of the very topics you are commenting upon. You are welcome to try again and clarify your intended meanings, but you would do well to demonstrate some respect for the laws and the peeople who would defend and protect those laws and legal principles with honesty and sincerity.
152 posted on 11/07/2010 4:10:49 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
First, you may want to consider dropping your use of the perjorative insults and innuendo

Its called sarcasm. Its the lowest form of humor, but apparently it still goes over your head. You might consider placing your computer on a stand up desk.

Donald Rumsfeld used to use one.

So, no apology, but given my own screen name, I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks to the effect that your views are derived from inebriation :)

Bushmills, Jameson or something more exotic?

153 posted on 11/07/2010 6:35:17 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Ron/GA
Help me out here. What is the intent and effect of the qualifier "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" on "All persons born or naturalized in the United States".

It has to do with foreign diplomats living/serving in the United States. Diplomats are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US so any of their children who are born in the US are not US citizens by virtue of being born here.

154 posted on 11/07/2010 7:29:48 PM PST by Jess79
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To: sneakers
The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being natural born. If it were the framers would not have included the clause.

The writers and delegates may have wanted to run for President, but that is not the primary reason for the grandfather clause. The primary reason is that NO ONE could meet the natural born citizen criteria at the time of the country's founding. No one who was a citizen at the time of our founding could claim that, on the day of his birth, his parents were US citizens.

155 posted on 11/07/2010 8:35:25 PM PST by Jess79
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To: truth_seeker
I have read that natural born is interchangable with native born.

Read more. Team Soetoro has spent millions to foster that idea. Seems to have worked.

Found it read into the Congrssional Record pertaining to George Romney, who was not native born, and hence not eligible.

Wisconsin Cheese Day is also read into the Congressional Record. Has nothing to do with the Constitition.

156 posted on 11/08/2010 5:34:09 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Show Picture ID. Pay a Poll Tax, Pass a Literacy and Citizenship Test in English. Then vote.)
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To: TigersEye; Lou Budvis; WhiskeyX
.... the Constitution specifically makes the distinction...

That, folks, is the long and the short of it.

In fact, the COTUS lists the qualifications for federal elected office quite specifically. The higher the office, the greater the qualification required. Any sort of citizenship, Native, Naturalized, etc. when combined with specific residency requirements, qualifies any citizen for any office, save the Presidency and Vice Presidency.

The Presidency requires one to be a "Natural Born Citizen." So what is that?

Simple, It is what Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., with a non-citizen father, cannot possibly be.

In fact, we do not know whether or not this is his legal name. We do know that in his Illinois Bar Application, he does not admit to having been known as Barry Soetoro, in addition to not acknowledging drug use, or traffic violations. We also know that he is no longer a member of the Illinois Bar.

Falsus in uno. Falsus in toto.

157 posted on 11/08/2010 7:02:05 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Show Picture ID. Pay a Poll Tax, Pass a Literacy and Citizenship Test in English. Then vote.)
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To: McGavin999

In order to understand the intent of the framers when they put the “Natural Born Citizen” requirement into the Constitution, you need to understand their frame of reference...what they read, what they believed in and how they thought on such issues. It’s crystal clear that the founders and framers read and relied upon Vattel’s work. Vattel was the only known source that was available to them that defined Les naturels (or natural) born citizens. That definition is born in country, to citizen parents. The reason the framers changed the requirement from “citizen” to “natural born” citizen had to due to preventing (as much as they could) foreign influence upon the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. (See Jay’s letter). If one is born with foreign citizenship, one is born with foreign influence (at a minimum).


158 posted on 11/08/2010 11:41:10 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

So then, based on your interpretation, none of the first presidents were legitimate, right?


159 posted on 11/08/2010 4:48:59 PM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: McGavin999
"So then, based on your interpretation, none of the first presidents were legitimate, right?"

Of course they were legitimate. And, of course they knew they were not Natural Born Citizens. That's precisely why they "grandfathered" themselves "past" the NBC requirement.

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;"
They were all "citizens" at the time the Constitution was adopted.
160 posted on 11/08/2010 5:01:32 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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