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PAVONE: No truce on abortion - Agreeing to disagree is not an option when lives are at stake
Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, October 13, 2010 | Father Frank Pavone

Posted on 10/14/2010 8:17:15 AM PDT by GonzoII

It is dismaying to hear some pro-life politicians calling for a "truce" on social issues like abortion - possible White House contenders Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour among them. Their suggestion is that it's more important to do whatever is necessary to get elected than to worry about issues that appear to be intractable.

This tactic is akin to the pro-life and pro-abortion movements agreeing to disagree, an option often considered a reasonable one. It does not require that either side change its views, but simply agrees to allow the different views, and the practices that flow from them.

Sorry, but this is a proposal we in the pro-life movement can't accept. There can be no truce.

First of all, to ask us to "agree to disagree" about abortion is to ask us to change our position on it. Why do we disagree in the first place? When we oppose abortion, we disagree with the notion that it is even negotiable. We do not only claim that we cannot practice abortion, but that nobody can practice it, precisely because it violates the most fundamental human right, the right to life. To "agree to disagree" means that we no longer see abortion for what it is - a violation of a right so fundamental that disagreement cannot be allowed to tamper with it.

To "agree to disagree" is to foster the notion that the baby is a baby only if the mother thinks it is, that the child has value only if the mother says it does and that we have responsibility only for those we choose to have responsibility for.

Certainly, there are many disputes in our nation about which we can "agree to disagree." Various proposals, programs

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KEYWORDS: 50milliondead; abortion; agreetodisagree; fatherpavone; humanrights; infanticide; moralabsolutes; prolife

1 posted on 10/14/2010 8:17:22 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Ping.


2 posted on 10/14/2010 8:17:47 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII
“If you don't want a slave, don't own one.”

That argument doesn't fly when human lives and civil rights are considered.

A woman's body ends at the umbilical cord. At the end are one or more living individuals each deserving of their OWN rights.

3 posted on 10/14/2010 8:20:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: GonzoII

God bless Father Pavone.


4 posted on 10/14/2010 8:20:28 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: a fool in paradise

This reminds me of the end of most discussions with libs, on any topic -

well, you have the facts and logic on your side to prove your point,
but I don’t [want to] and won’t believe your take on the issue.


5 posted on 10/14/2010 8:23:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GonzoII
First of all, to ask us to "agree to disagree" about abortion is to ask us to change our position on it.

Muslims are willing to let non-muslims "agree to disagree" on matters of faith. So long as you concede rule to them as their inferiors and don't want equal rights in court and don't want to posess a non-muslim religious text, and don't want to publicly practice your faith...

If you are willing to sit down, shut up, and let them run the show, that is if you are willing to keep your dissent to yourself and let their agenda rule, then you can live... for now. Same attitude being served up by the pro-death liberals.

6 posted on 10/14/2010 8:23:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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bump!


7 posted on 10/14/2010 8:25:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MrB

“If you don’t want a gun, don’t own one.”

Well that impacts EVERYONE we are told.

Except it is specifically enumerated in the Constitution as an inalienable right. And the criminals are going to engage in crime anyway.

They use guns to commit crimes. They are already committing crimes that are illegal. Obtaining a gun illegally is but one more transgression for them to commit.

We’ve legalized abortion and yet legal clincs are still maiming and killing women and children with botched abortions. Shouldn’t they be using cleaner wire hangers by now?


8 posted on 10/14/2010 8:27:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: GonzoII

Why not? Didn’t obama ask for us all to find a middle ground in his Notre Shame commencement address last year?


9 posted on 10/14/2010 8:32:57 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: GonzoII

No truce on abortion...

However, When asked by the media about their views on abortion, I REALLY want to see an elected official/candidate in a debate/press conference look right at the media and explain why they are pro-life while showing various photographs of the END result of the so-called reproductive rights of women.

Let the left winged media and politicians cringe at the grisly pictures while trying to defend this eugenics process they claim to champion.


10 posted on 10/14/2010 8:39:45 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: GonzoII

When good compromises with evil, evil wins.


11 posted on 10/14/2010 8:54:39 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: GonzoII

I wish the National Council of Bishops would adopt this attitude. We could stop abortion in this country right away if only they would tell all Catholics that they cannot vote for any candidate who favors (or even tolerates) abortion. I cannot believe that they are not doing this. That point should be hammered home continuously from the pulpit.

It is the 5th Commandment! We were directed by God to not do this horrendous sin. If a pregnant woman is murdered, the law charges the criminal with two counts of murder, but if a doctor aborts a child, he is not charged. This alone, shows the lunacy of the stance on abortion. A doctor can murder a child and that’s okay? No, it’s not! And it’s about time we all call it what it is.


12 posted on 10/14/2010 9:47:43 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: GonzoII
The good news is that legalized abortion is going to end in this country -- maybe even in my lifetime.

The bad news is that it's only going to happen after the U.S. is filled with Mexican Muslims.

13 posted on 10/14/2010 10:02:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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All these people who supposedly want a "truce" on social issues such as abortion and the homosexual agenda - why don't you want a truce on smaller government and fiscal issues? Hmm? Because they're vitally important, right? Well, the right to life is also vitally important. If not more so. Can't fight against big government and insane taxes if you got aborted.

14 posted on 10/14/2010 8:03:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

It is dismaying to hear some pro-life politicians calling for a “truce” on social issues like abortion

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It’s also dismaying to hear the libs on FR calling for us pro-lifers to shut up about abortion. That we should realize it’s not a Constitutional issue, and that it’s up to the states to decide and blah, blah, blah.

Look. The SC created this (bleep) with Roe v. Wade. They need to overturn it. And anyone on a local, state or National level who calls for a “truce” is useless as a conservative.

/rant off


15 posted on 10/14/2010 8:09:19 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the ping.

Indeed there is no common ground on abortion excluding the realization from all that unexpected pregnancies can be an extremely stressful responsibility.

“Reproductive Rights”, “Choice”, “Mother’s Health”, ...

Let’s not mince words. Abortion today is the legal barbaric, killing of nascent human life regardless of the rationale used to dispatch the little ones.


16 posted on 10/14/2010 9:22:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: little jeremiah
Fiscal issues and limited government are the priority at the moment. If there's NO Constitution and Founding Documents, at least not the ones with which we're familiar, regardless of natural law, there will be NO protection of the RIGHT TO LIFE whatsoever, let alone an opportunity to overturn Roe and pass a PROTECT LIFE Amendment for countless years to come.

And no it doesn't mean we must stop discussing social issues. No need for a truce.

17 posted on 10/14/2010 9:28:51 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Christine O'Donnell WILL WIN in November. Rove can eat his own words then.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"The SC created this (bleep) with Roe v. Wade. They need to overturn it."

Much agreed.

18 posted on 10/14/2010 9:30:19 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Christine O'Donnell WILL WIN in November. Rove can eat his own words then.)
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