Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
(Excerpt) Read more at caaflog.com ...
LOL
My friend, you are talking about an office that has a fan for an air conditioner. The office itself hasn’t been remodeled or updated in.. shoot... it has to be a while. Trust me, we aren’t talking about a state of the art office here. I am darned certain that they have a standard form, and information is hand typed into those fields.
Am I certain on that? No.
But I do know that it takes the deliberate attention of a human being to create a COLB. That much was told to me by one of the clerks I have spoken to over the last couple of years. They don’t just hit a key sequence and have a COLB pop out. Someone types those records in. It’s little wonder why it can take weeks to get a request filled.... But Hawaiians aren’t known for rushing much to begin with. Its a far more laid back lifestyle and culture.
I hope that helps some.
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"Is it real, or is it fake?
Despite numerous, repeated requests for more than two weeks, the White House is refusing to verify the authenticity of a letter allegedly sent by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares a Honolulu hospital as his birthplace.
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A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.
The letter in question, dated Jan. 24, 2009, was trumpeted and used to raise funds – then later concealed – by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, which eventually released images of the paper letter to WND.
What, the letter was concealed by the Hospital? How come Jameseee?
"As a beneficiary of the excellence of the Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.
This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.
But since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its contents, the White House has refused to say if the letter itself is authentic and that its content originated with the president.
Staffers at the White House only acknowledge their receipt of WND's request and images of the letter posted online by the news site.
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The Kapi'olani Medical Center claims to "know" the letter is real,but hospital spokeswoman Keala Peters refused to corroborate the content, specifically that Obama was born at her facility as the letter asserts.
"We know that [the letter] came from Mr. Obama," she said.
When asked how she "knew" that and how the hospital came to receive the message, Peters only stated, "[Congressman] Neil Abercrombie personally brought it."
Neil "the Commie" Abercrombie brought it? LOL!
Abercrombie has not returned several WND requests for direct comment about the letter, but his spokesman Dave Helfert indicated he would seek a response.
"I will ask him what he remembers, how he came by the letter, whether by dictation or whether it was hand-delivered," Helfert said.
At the same time, though, Helfert told WND outright the matter was not a high priority.
Nothing but crickets from that Hippie Abercrombie. Cricket Cricket cricket....
When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.
What Gibbels can't say if Obama was born in Hawaii? How stupid is that Jamesseeee? It's complete idiocy.
Kapi'olani used a letter, allegedly written by President Obama in which he declares his birthplace to be at the facility, to solicit donations in its spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine. The hospital, after refusing to confirm the letter even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity but not its content. The White House has refused to confirm both the letter and its content. The FBI and Secret Service have indicated criminal charges are possible if a fraudulent letter from the White House is being used to raise funds.
What? We have here possible criminal fraud by Neil Abercrombie and Obama? And the Hospital and Obama won't talk about the authenticity of the Obama nativity letter?
Yeah, some "proof" you got there troll-bot.
jamese, there is something that must be pointed out.
I do not question that Obama has a COLB issued by the state of Hawaii. What I question is the CIRCUMSTANCES by which baby Obama GOT it.
Hawaii routinely gave out COLB’s to foreign born babies by virtue of the fact you could register a birth up to a year after it happened. And all with out a doctor’s signature. Hawaii isn’t covering for Obama. Hawaii is covering up fraud on a massive scale. Obama is making use of this. Perhaps he WAS born at Kapiolani.
In that case, why not release all his information? No reason NOT to.
Well, what I think is that he is listed as having been born at a street address. Even if that is the solid 100% true FACT, Hawaii cannot prove he was actually born on the island because of the fraud they systematically committed in the 60’s and 70’s.
To me, this is about calling a state on Fraud. It is also about making CERTAIN that POTUS is constitutionally eligible and qualified to lead as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the strongest nation on Earth. Being certain of that status behooves us all. It could all be settled very easily.
I have proven it is possible to get a long form from Hawaii. For CERTAIN the President of the United States could ALSO get his with a gold plated raised seal embossed on the thing if he asked for it. If I can get a black and white copy, then for DAMNED certain the President of the United States can get his.
just to repeat for posterity’s sake, Hawaii is covering its own ass. Obama just happens to be using that for some reason or another. I want to know what that reason is, and all Americans should be standing up and demanding the same thing.
You as one of his supporters should be at the freaking front of the line. I would be! I would want to know FOR CERTAIN that the guy I was bending over backwards to support and defend was WORTHY of it. I should think you would be too.
As a matter of curiosity, have any new points been made lately, or is it the same-old, same-old?
Just got to ping again to this post. :)
An extraordinary sequence of events got Obama into the White House.
Isn’t that the damn truth?
Makes you wonder, just what did OholyO have on Hillary that caused her to shut her mouth RE; his eligibility issues.... curious minds want to know. Its not like Bill didn’t drop hints about constitutional eligibility or anything. He did.
Oh well, likely we will never know.
One day we might get someone to talk.
As far as I know regarding Florida law, a parent can never disown an adopted child of inheritance, while a blood child can be!??!
Quote from a legal mind, opposing to Mr. WKA!!!
U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): It quoted the same definition of “natural born Citizen” as did Minor v. Happersett. Hence, Wong did not change the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen.” It declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on United States soil to alien parents who were domiciled and legally residing in the United States and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States,” It did not find him an Article II “natural born Citizen.” The Wong Kim Ark holding which relates to a Fourteenth Amendment born “citizen of the United States” cannot be relied upon to define an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Defining what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is depends upon what the Framers intended that clause to mean in 1787. The Framers defined national citizenship during the Founding in the historical context of the American Revolution, a context which did not exist in 1898. In that context, the Founders had to provide for who were the original citizens and who were their descendents. To define these terms, the Framers relied upon the same law that justified the Revolution itself. That law was natural law and the law of nations and not the English common law. From that law, they came to call the original citizens “citizens of the United States” and their descendents, the “natural born Citizens.” The Framers then gave Congress the power to naturalize all other persons who may in the future also qualify to be “citizens of the United States.” Under natural law and the law of nations as commented upon by Vattel, whom the Framers relied upon to explain that law, this meant that only the children of citizens (either “natural born Citizens” or naturalized) could ever be “natural born Citizens.” All other citizens would only be “citizens of the United States.” Wong Kim Ark dealt with defining what a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States” was in 1898. Justice Gray’s general statements in Wong Kim Ark as to what a “natural born subject” (which under English common law also included naturalized subjects) was in the colonies under English common law before the Revolution made by him for the purpose of defining a “citizen of the United States” in 1898 do not answer the question of what the Founder’s definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen” was in 1787. In fact, given the Revolution and the need to constitute a new society, to the Framers the English common law was neither relevant nor useful in providing that definition. Justice Gray’s decision can at best be used to define what an original citizen was before the adoption of the Constitution which definition he used to justify his declaring Wong a Fourteenth Amendment born “citizen of the United States.” But it cannot be used to define what a “natural born Citizen” is following its adoption. Additionally, the Wong court itself recognized the two distinct types of citizens, a “natural born Citizen” and a “citizen of the United States.” Chief Justice Fuller in his dissent said that he would not have found Wong to be a “citizen of the United States” because his parents were not citizens. He also confirmed Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen.”
After that the PUMA crowd got ticked off and jumped actively into the fry about same time as Berg!!!
“...it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
If “it was never doubted,” why are we here. Both Republicans and Democrats ran ineligible candidates. Both are partially controlled by special interests. Both parties and the media have been neutralized by Alinsky’s Fifth Rule: “Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.” The Democrats at least are honest about their intentions. Our Republican party leaders are undermining Joe Miller, Christine O’Donnel, and even supported Castle and Christ until they were completely dead, and still support Lisa Murkowski. In another time we would say “follow the money!” Now that we are a nation of men and not of laws, we must first fix the nation.
Most of us, all who have read the legal doctrine upon which our republic based upon ideas was based, the first such government, know that Obama is illegitimate. No one in power dares speak up because it will likely cost him or her his job, and with it his power. Their ignorance defense will not fall until the balance of power has shifted. It is a sad truth.
What we CAN do is everything to eliminate anyone, Republican or Democrat, who vacillates in any way around the Obama-Soros missions. Obama, who never told anyone he was a natural born citizen, has ridden in on the support of the public employee unions, along with what remains of our trade unions, largely dying as our manufacturing moves offshore. AFSCME is the largest single campaign contributor to this election. AFSCME employees and Acorn count absentee ballots in many, probably most, states. They count all the ballots in some states. They will steal this election if they can because their services and pensions are bankrupting the country, but many of them are not particularly skilled, and would be at a disadvantage in a capitalist society. They will benefit, for a while, from Communism.
If we attempt a litmus test for candidates such as asking “What is the definition of a natural born citizen?” most candidates will fail, as did Jim DeMint and John Kyl. They know the truth puts a target on their backs. That question must wait until we have a majority in the house, and that will not happen if the fraud already being executed succeeds.
Free Republic could help to make us free again if Freepers would find the experts in their precincts on voter fraud, and volunteer to watch polls. It was a surprise to learn that some observant and committed conservatives overturned two blatantly fraudulent elections in upper middle class Contra Costa County in California. The fraud was well organized and backed by the NEA. Like the famous unprosecuted Shabazz voter intimidation case in Philadelphia, they put menacing union thugs at the corners of the ballot validation room. Fraud will be everywhere. We cannot ask for identification in California, but poll watchers can oversee absentee counting, and can learn the bag of tricks Obama used to teach in his “Project Vote” days.
We need to get informed because, while Obama is not legitimate, it is scarier that he never said he was! He said his father was a Kenyan, he himself was born a British subject. He knew he would be protected by both Democrats and Republicans, and he has been. We need a house cleaning! Without combating the fraud, we will make gains - the Ruling Class will let enough seats change to be able to blame Republicans for obstructing the recovery which will never happen. Real unemployment is closer to 20% than the claimed 12, and growing, while the government is growing. But we are in the process of collapsing economically, which will insure a third killing for George Soros in the currency markets. He has homes in many countries. Besides not knowing in which country Barack was born, we don't know where his refuge will be, but I'm guessing Venezuela, since when the U.S. fails Saudi Arabia won't be long in following.
The Constitution holds no meaning for the Ruling Class, except for those who write books about it or use it to support civil cases. Even Obama's background means little, except to the authors who profit from yet another excursion through the constructed life, assiduously avoiding the simple fact of his illigitimacy due to his British birth. He is simply an undistinguished but certainly bright con man who parlayed his affirmative action credentials into becoming the front man for some powerful interests. We have Madison's “government of men, and not laws.” We may still be able to change it, while our local agencies pay lip service to the Constitution. It is clear, with the Feds joining foreign countries to sue states, that we have enemies both in our justice department and its overseers in the executive. Campaigning, supporting candidates, free speech, all mean nothing if our votes don't reflect our preferences, and today, our votes are being stolen.
Every AP story about how the polls show races tightening up are to assuage the public when their candidate, as happened in Washington state, Minnesota, and will happen all over the country, didn't quite make it. The Republicans are a bit less likely to support outright fraud, but they supported a malleable Democrat to run for California's Secretary of State position, the election watchdog, chosen no doubt because he tells his rags to riches story well, only omitting his adoration for Barack. Damon Dunn changed his Democrat registrations in two states, asking the Florida Sec. of State to expunge his record, only 6 months before entering the race in California as a Republican, and moving to Orange County, claiming to be a minster. Since the California watchdog, Deborah Bowan, is an SEIU Democrat, election laws meant nothing. Dunn had an easy ride because his opponent was Orly Taitz, already “targeted,frozen, personalized, and polarized” (Alinsky's 13th Rule) by by the Alinsky left and Ruling Class Republican right. Taitz ran to expose voter fraud and fix registration irregularities ignored by both the Republicans and encouraged by Democrats.
Perhaps Free Republic patriots could learn, and it is a very complex topic, about the techniques of voter fraud being used on them, and encourage more to become poll watchers. You are seeing only the fringes, the late absentee ballots being sent overseas is an old story, and you know this justice department would simply not allow military members to vote if it could. You have heard of counts being allowed which exceeded the number of registered voters in St. Louis. You probably didn't hear about the retirement community residents whose primary ballots were lost and others whose registrations were changed during the Orly Taitz-Damon Dunn primary. The invalidation of absentee ballots because instructions were intentionally misleading is another trick. The security of the counting is, to this reader, the most suspicious, since there is no way to validate counts. We do not live in a representative republic if our elections are controlled by would-be tyrants, and that is now the case.
39th Congress debates...an example..
” This act of legislation would destroy the foundations of the Government as they were laid and established by our fathers, who reserved to the States certain privileges and immunities which ought sacredly to be preserved to them.
” If you had attempted to do it in the days of those who were living at the time the Constitution was made, after the birth of that noble instrument, the spirit of the heroes of the Revolution and the ghosts of the departed who laid down their lives in defense of-the liberty of this country and of the rights of the States,
would have come forth as witnesses against the deadly infliction, and the destruction of the fundamental principle of the sovereignty of the States in violation of the Constitution, and the breaking down of the ties that bind the States, and the violation of the rights and liberties of the white men and white women of America.
” If you pass this bill, you will allow the negroes of this country to compete for the high office of President of the United States.
Because if they are citizens at all, they come within the meaning and letter of the Constitution of the United States, which allows all natural-born citizens to become candidates for the Presidency, and to exercise the duties of that office if elected.
” I am afraid of degrading this Government; I am afraid of danger to constitutional liberty;
I am alarmed at the stupendous strides which this Congress is trying to initiate; and I appeal in behalf of my country, in behalf of those that are to come after us, of generations yet unborn, as well as those now living, that conservative men on the other side should rally to the standard of sovereign and independent States,
Mr. Rogers, of New Jersey
History of the Thirty-ninth Congress of the United States
By William Horatio Barnes
WTF!!!
I've never heard of that before, that is in no way legal.
If that is true it needs to be exposed and stopped right now!
Mr. Shellabarger, of Ohio, said: “ I agree with the gentleman on the other side of the House, that this bill can not be passed under that clause of the Constitution which provides that Congress may pass uniform rules of naturalization.
Under that clause it is my opinion that the act of naturalization must not only be the act of the Government, but also the act of the individual alien, by which he renounces his former allegiance and accepts the new one.
And that proposition and distinction will be found, I think, in all judicious arguments upon the subject.
History of the Thirty-ninth Congress of the United States
By William Horatio Barnes
Very interesting the way that is worded.
Mr. Windom, of Minnesota, next obtained the floor.
Referring to the speech of Mr. Rogers, he said: “ I wish to make another extract from the speech of the gentleman from New Jersey.
He said,’ If you pass this bill, you will allow negroes to compete for the high office of the President of the United States.’ You will actually allow them to compete for the Presidency of the United States!
As for this fear which haunts the gentleman from New Jersey, if there is a negro in the country who is so far above all the white men of the country that only four millions of his own race can elect him President of the United States over twenty-six millions of white people, I think we ought to encourage such talent in the country.
History of the Thirty-ninth Congress of the United States
By William Horatio Barnes
“Sir, the gentleman has far less confidence in the white race than I have, if he is so timid in regard to negro competition.
Does he really suppose that black men are so far superior to white men that four millions of them can elect a President of their own race against the wishes of thirty millions of ours?
Ever since I knew any thing of the party to which the gentleman belongs, it has entertained this same morbid fear of negro competition; and sometimes I have thought that if we were to contemplate the subject from their stand-point we would have more charity than we do for this timidity and nervous dread which haunts them.
I beg leaye, however, to assure the gentleman that there is not the slightest danger of electing a black President, and that he need never vote for one, unless he thinks him better fitted for the office than a white man.”
Mr. Windom, of Minnesota
The book is here.
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