It is about the "right" of the murdered to have lived.
It is about defiling their graves.
And it is about having forgotten already.
Posted on 09/09/2010 8:40:32 AM PDT by ventanax5
One of the most frequently used arguments in the defense of Islam is that the Bible is just as violent as the Koran. The logic goes like this. If the Koran is no more violent than the Bible, then why should we worry about Islam? This argument suggests that Islam is the same as Christianity and Judaism. This is false, but the analogy is very popular since it allows someone who knows nothing about the actual doctrine of Islam to talk about it. "See, Islam is like Christianity; Christians are just as violent as Muslims." If this is true, then you don't have to learn anything about the actual Islamic doctrine.
However, this is not a theological argument. It is a political one. This argument is not about what goes on in a house of worship, but what goes on the in the marketplace of ideas.
Now, is the doctrine of Islam more violent than the Koran? There is only one way to prove or disprove the comparison, and that is to measure the differences in violence in the Koran and the Bible.
The first item is to define violence. The only violence that matters to someone outside of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism is what they do to the "other," or political violence. Cain killing Abel is not political violence. Political violence is not killing a lamb for a meal or making an animal sacrifice. Note that regardless of whether a vegan or a PETA member considers both of these actions violent, neither constitutes violence against vegans or PETA members.
The next item is to compare the doctrines both quantitatively and qualitatively. The political violence of the Koran is called "fighting in Allah's cause," or jihad.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
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It is about defiling their graves.
And it is about having forgotten already.
If this statement is puported to be true according to Muslims, then those same Muslims shouldn't mind at all if Christians start delivering warheads on their communities.
The Old Testament shows God commanding the Hebrews to war in specific times and places, but He does not give them a continuing mandate.
The New Testament does not command war.
The Koran commands war until the whole world submits to Islam.
Brilliant article. Nails the argument, proving that the Islamic Scripture encourages 10 times more violence than the Hebrew Bible and that the New Testament has no violence proclaimed or encouraged at all (excepting the violence done to those proclaiming the gospel, of course, and that doesn’t count in this context). Islam is a permanent threat to world peace in general and anyone who is neither an adherent or a subject in particular.
They call it jihad. Don’t we call it Crusade?
EXCELLENT ARTICLE!!!
What an ignorant statement. You need to educate yourself a little, maybe read the frickin' article... that would be a start...
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Sura (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
Sura (4:74) - “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”
Sura (4:76) - “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Sura (5:33) - “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Sura (8:39) - “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”
Sura (8:57) - “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
Sura (9:14) - “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace...”
Sura (9:29) - “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Sura (9:30) - “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
Sura (9:123) - “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Sura (47:4) - “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,”
Sura (61:4) - “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”
Sura (66:9) - “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end
From the Hadith:
Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari (8:387) - Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”
Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq: 992 - “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.”
But, but, but...
These are just a few (only 19...) quotes and don’t reflect “moderate, peace loving muslims”.
/sarc
I'd say they were exaggerating what happens in India except they're not ~ MILLIONS DIED in the twentieth century just that way.
Or, in its counterpart ~ the Hindus jump up someday and go burnout the Moslems.
The Crusades did not happen in that manner ~
Violence has played a part in the advancement and preservation of both Christianity and islime. The difference is the role it CONTINUES to play. Christian conversion by the sword ended five hundred years ago.
The greatest mistake we make is in treating islime as a religion. It is so much more than that that it causes us to apply an inaccurate yardstick when measuring its role in a society. Similarly, it influences the muslime view of the West. Since religion and government are inseparable in the muslime world, they can’t fathom how the two can be separated in the Christian world. Thus, any Western advance is a Christian advance, and a threat to islime.
Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder
it doesn’t say we cannot kill those who threaten our lives.
teeman
The Koran decrees conquest of and death, conversion, and enslavement of everyone in the world who is not already Mohammedan, in the past, in the present and in the future. Jews and Christians have NO Biblical directives or directives from any of the writings of theologians or the Fathers to go about and conquer and kill. Christians are to spread their religion by persuasion, not by conquest. Christians have done violent things either as Christians without the sanction of their Book or in spite of it or in defense of their homes and their countrymen and coreligionists.
Christians and Jews must worship God and live holy lives. A Moslem must worship Allah and wage peaceful and violent Jihad against all non Moslems and against all Moslems considered unorthodox. They are to conquer, kill, and enslave until all are Moslem of one orthodoxy. It's in the book- their book. They cannot be good Moslems without obeying those strictures.
Moslems will wage violent Jihad of conquest so long as they can afford it. In this cycle the Western oil money provides the resources to wage Jihad. Jihad will continue so long as the West pays for it or until all men are Moslem or none are.
The only way to compare the two is to look at the actions of their adherents. Which group is murdering innocent people because they believe that is what their holy book teaches?
No questions here about how crazy Islam is.
Exactly!
One other thing - Christianity is true; Islam is false.
Yeah, you’re right. The Crusades were a response, much like Desert Storm. Jihad is unprovoked and undeclared war on a neighbor who has a different religious opinion than you do. I get the difference and just fouled up trying to coin a clever phrase. Sorry.
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