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This Is Where We Begin to Say No
National Review ^ | Andrew c. McCarthy

Posted on 09/08/2010 8:47:19 AM PDT by ventanax5

A tectonic shift is in motion: How fitting that its focal point is Ground Zero, the inevitable fault line between Islam and the West.

Only the blink of an eye ago, uttering the unpleasant truth that in terms of doctrine there is no such thing as “moderate Islam” resulted in one’s banishment from what our opinion elites like to call the “mainstream,” by which they mean the narrow-minded, viciously defended circle of their own pieties and fictions. You could say it, but your skin had better have an extra coat or two of thick: You were in for a fusillade of rage, the likes of which our candor-phobic elites would never dream of unleashing at our Islamist enemies — no matter how clearly those enemies announced their intention to destroy us.

The fusillade still comes, but now its blows only glance. The elites and their mainstream have been exposed as frauds: Being on the wrong side of enough 70-30 issues will do that to you.

It should never have gotten this far. Sponsors of the Ground Zero mosque neither own the property in question nor possess the means to build and operate the palatial Islamic center they envision. The more light that shines on their record of murky real-estate dealings and the dubious circumstances of their limited stake in the Ground Zero property, the more questions arise. In a more sensible world, those questions would get answered before we plunged into a rancorous public debate. That hasn’t happened, though. In spite of the implacable determination of the mayor (and the attorney general who would be governor) to look the other way, the issue has galvanized the public. What has long bubbled beneath the surface did not need much more heat to boil over.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: groundzero; groundzeromosque; islam; moderateislam; muslims; wot
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1 posted on 09/08/2010 8:47:21 AM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5
Sponsors of the Ground Zero mosque neither own the property in question...

????

I thought they did own the property.

2 posted on 09/08/2010 8:48:48 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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Apparently they do not have title to the entire property, and what they do “own” isn’t paid for.


3 posted on 09/08/2010 8:50:29 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: sauropod

Some of it is leased from Con Edison, or some other local utility/government authority, I believe.


4 posted on 09/08/2010 8:52:56 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: ventanax5

The straw that broke the camels back, perhaps?


5 posted on 09/08/2010 8:54:53 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ventanax5

this is why I suspect that Terry Jones is secretly getting a payoff from George Soros somehow. He is single-handedly feeding the narrative that all of us who oppose this mosque are bigoted kooks.


6 posted on 09/08/2010 8:55:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ventanax5

What’s most interesting about what this article is talking about is that this mosque thing is working in conjunction with the Tea Party movement to show people they can move the discussion without permission from the government or the pundits.

It’s showing us that after decades of HEARING it, we are making the “You have a voice in this government!” cliches (which have NOT been true for decades) mean something.

And ironically, it’s not the noisy leftists who are leading this “people’s” revolt, and that scares the hell out of them.


7 posted on 09/08/2010 8:55:18 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: ventanax5

Oh but the American taxpayers via the state department recently helped fund a fund raising trip abroad for one of the mooselimb scum bags in question IIRC.


8 posted on 09/08/2010 8:55:25 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ventanax5

There is no need to feel shy or embarrassed when you say “no” to submission to Islam. We will not submit. Not now, not ever.


9 posted on 09/08/2010 8:57:07 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (You can force me to recycle, but I will NOT sing the song!)
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To: ventanax5
In a very direct and tangible way, the Obama administration's warnings about violent reprisals should be by far the greater insult to Islam than the torching of a Koran.

I know this would never, ever happen in an Obama administration, but if Obama told an atheist group not to protest against Christians because they are a violent bunch who will retaliate with bloodshed, I would protest his characterization vigorously.

Interesting that Muslims haven't taken offense to his implication that they are such a problem when it comes to savagery.

10 posted on 09/08/2010 8:58:33 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Darkwolf377
And ironically, it’s not the noisy leftists who are leading this “people’s” revolt, and that scares the hell out of them.

That whole "speaking truth to power" thing is no fun when the Leftists are up in the castle and the Conservatives are carrying pitchforks and torches.

11 posted on 09/08/2010 8:59:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ventanax5

This is also the beginning of more commentators writing and saying the same thing as McCarthy.

Americans are as fed up with the “Muslim Religion of Peace” mantra as they are fed up with the “Illegal Immigrant has rights” mantra.


12 posted on 09/08/2010 9:03:29 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: ventanax5
“Moderate Islam” is a dream, not a reality. It is a dream with potential, because there are millions of Muslims who are moderate people, and because there are dedicated Muslims working to transform their faith into something that is institutionally moderate. But they work against great odds. They confront Islamists whose dedication to theocratic principles is deeply and undeniably rooted in Islamic scripture.

Great essay, other than this. Because if the "bad" Muslims are deely rooted in Islamic scripture, how can the "good" Muslims be true to their scripture and remain Muslim? Wouldn't their transformation of their faith, in effect, make it something other than Islam?

13 posted on 09/08/2010 9:05:23 AM PDT by workerbee (FAIL, BABY, FAIL!)
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To: cvq3842

We reject “The Deal”.

The Deal says that if we tippy-toe around Muslim sensibilities and don’t get in their way as they sow the seeds of our eventual destruction, they will calm down and give us a little, temporary peace.

But that is not really true. If we accept this outrage, there will be some new, even more outrageous, provocation soon to follow. They will always take offense and resort to violence, because that is simply what they do.

And at every stage, we will be told that if submit to this one small thing, everything will be fine. But that is a lie, and it always has been.


14 posted on 09/08/2010 9:06:15 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (You can force me to recycle, but I will NOT sing the song!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Yep, what I want to know is when we can move from its OK to oppose Islam as a facist government to get the hell out of our country and don’t come back..


15 posted on 09/08/2010 9:13:26 AM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: workerbee

“Great essay, other than this. Because if the “bad” Muslims are deely rooted in Islamic scripture, how can the “good” Muslims be true to their scripture and remain Muslim? Wouldn’t their transformation of their faith, in effect, make it something other than Islam?”

Yes.

Obviously, there is still some pussyfooting going on here.


16 posted on 09/08/2010 9:16:41 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: workerbee

Great essay, other than this. Because if the “bad” Muslims are deely rooted in Islamic scripture, how can the “good” Muslims be true to their scripture and remain Muslim? Wouldn’t their transformation of their faith, in effect, make it something other than Islam?

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Very good point!

Too bad the author missed that.....and we need to ask the question is “Can one be a good Muslim and a good US citizen?”


17 posted on 09/08/2010 9:22:32 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 ("The summer of recovery will be followed by the fall of the regime." Howie Carr 9/3/10 WXTK Radio)
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To: workerbee
Great essay, other than this. Because if the "bad" Muslims are deeply rooted in Islamic scripture, how can the "good" Muslims be true to their scripture and remain Muslim? Wouldn't their transformation of their faith, in effect, make it something other than Islam?

That my friend, is the money line.

18 posted on 09/08/2010 9:31:50 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: workerbee

“Great essay, other than this. Because if the “bad” Muslims are deely rooted in Islamic scripture, how can the “good” Muslims be true to their scripture and remain Muslim? Wouldn’t their transformation of their faith, in effect, make it something other than Islam? “

you can pretty much say this about moderates in any religion, be it judaism or christianity. the difference is that the orthodox or most conservative practitioners of those 2 relgions aren’t concerned with ruling anyone’s lives but their own, nor with wars, nor with mass murder, etc.


19 posted on 09/08/2010 9:47:42 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Haiku Guy

I agree - and the people are waking up.


20 posted on 09/08/2010 9:50:36 AM PDT by cvq3842
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