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It is not about religious freedom, IT'S ABOUT RESPECT.
1 posted on 08/30/2010 8:47:50 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

It’s a victory mosque to celebrate their 9/11 victory. Only fools think it’s about freedom of religion. Islam is not a religion. It’s a form of government.


2 posted on 08/30/2010 8:52:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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The church was there first. Rebuild it first and then we'll talk.

A mosque being built on Ground Zero is like a dog marking its territory.

3 posted on 08/30/2010 8:53:15 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: La Lydia

There goes any integrity or worthliness he had.


4 posted on 08/30/2010 8:55:41 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: La Lydia

“Dear Orin,”

Just say no!!!

For the UNknowing, the UNaware and the wary,

When the founding fathers thought of America, their little baby, the last thing they wanted was an invasive force to stifle, smother it, and then overwhelm it and kill it.

Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult. Larger than that though, it is a political system, it is it’s own government, a economic system (which includes funding new mosque construction), its judicial...all wrapped up in the word sharia. This is inclusive of its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent ...and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is a invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.

This is not just a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. The Korans Sharia rules are to consume whatever government there is wherever it goes.
Islam is political, and it’s goal is to supplant and replace. Globally.

When the founding fathers thought of America, their little baby, the last thing they wanted was an invasive force to stifle, smother it, and then overwhelm it and kill it.

The sooner America learns this , the better. Some know and many do not, but it is a threat to everything America knows.

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. He is doing nothing to protect America as per his oath. Also, as a Muslim, he knows this, he know far better, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.

For all interested...Wanna learn more?
On Sharia
http://thehayride.com/2010/08/louisiana-at-leading-edge-in-fight-against-shariah/#more-5392

this,
Three things about Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

and a little Bill Whittle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_iDPRud_c

Maybe we should talk about the birth of Pakistan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IstZSgniH8

Lets keep America, America!

And if you like conspiracies lets look at the White House and its circle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJzU056ccV4&NR=1

After viewing the two, reconcile our observations.

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. As a Muslim, he knows this, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.

Sharia is contrary to America, its rights , freedoms , liberty and democracy.


5 posted on 08/30/2010 8:56:04 PM PDT by himno hero
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Please note, Hatch, that the “Moderate” imam will not show the same respect for your faith...


6 posted on 08/30/2010 8:56:09 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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Another professional politician Douche Bag!!


7 posted on 08/30/2010 8:56:28 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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We know there are Muslims killed on 9/11 too

Ahhhh, isn't that a bit like the classic case of the teenager who kills both parents and then begs the judge for mercy, on account of how he's an orphan ...

The Muslims who died on 9/11 do NOT deserve our sympathy.

8 posted on 08/30/2010 8:57:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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HATCH: Let’s be honest about it, in the First Amendment, religious freedom, religious expression, that really express matters to the Constitution...leading Muslims agree - are on the record saying - that Islam is more than a religion - it's a set of laws governing how its practitioners or subjects will conduct their lives - as such it can not claim protection under the First Amendment -in fact it should not be able to claim any protection under the Constitution, since many of the laws it requires its adherents to abide by are inconsistent with the Constitution......
14 posted on 08/30/2010 9:03:12 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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Typical Of Hatch.


15 posted on 08/30/2010 9:03:49 PM PDT by Humal
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Anyone know where Mitt Romney stands on the mosque?


17 posted on 08/30/2010 9:04:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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>> Hatch: “So, if the Muslims own that property, that private property, and they want to build a mosque there, they should have the right to do so.”

Nice try Hatch. Of course “should” renders your spin irrelevant. They DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT to build the mosque!!!


21 posted on 08/30/2010 9:08:40 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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When are the people of Utah going to send this Ass-clown packing?


24 posted on 08/30/2010 9:12:01 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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Poor Orrin, he just cain't hep himself.

Earth to Orrin: Tolerance is a Two-way Street. No tolerance for the intolerant.

When Christians can build churches in muslim countries then we'll talk about them building mosques in the U.S.

32 posted on 08/30/2010 9:24:05 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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I’d be the first to stand up for their rights.

Gosharootie, Orrin. You mean, you would elbow your way ahead of Baraq Hussein 0bama, Obama bin Ladin, Ayman Zawahiri, and a host of sheikhs, imams, emirs, and other despots? Do you hope to be the next Caliph, Orrin?

33 posted on 08/30/2010 9:25:06 PM PDT by hellbender
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Well, it certainly is NOT about religious freedom, but it’s also not about “showing respect”, or exhibiting some small modicum of ‘sensitivity’. These are just opening gambits and talking points in a stalled dialogue.
This is a chess game where these ‘memes’ are batted around
until both we are exhausted from using them, and the concepts themselves are replaced by something more germane to the argument. Why oh why, knowing the smooth Radical Stealth Jihadist Imam Rauf is, would we ever EXPECT any show of respect or sensitivity from him? They can actually go right ahead with impunity and with a straight face, and claim that they ARE showing sensitivity and that the Ground Zero location is an absolutely necessary and symbolic one
for the twin goals of ‘healing’ and bridge-building.
THis makes sense to these twisted minds.

Everyone who’s opposed to the Mosque, knows deep down that AT BEST there’s something overreachingly provocative, something cognitively dissonant about Rauf & Co. and their so far rigid adherence to this site above all others.
This is NOT a Mosque: this is a HEADQUARTERS and RECRUITMENT CENTER, masquerading as some elegant,glass and chrome, good-time Emporium. Too much is coming out now about Rauf and his developer El-Gamal, that is SO discrediting to them and their previous real estate efforts
(Rauf is a slumlord whose tenants hate him for the usual reasons tenants hate slumlords) , the other is way behind in tax payments, etc etc. , all the usual Tony Reszko stuff,
that their Fantasy Project just looks all the more ridiculous, because it is FAR FAR AWAY from a situation where it could be realized. Which makes me think that ultimately , all they REALLY wanted to get going at this point was a polarizing dialogue to pave the way into respectability for them, and help them fund-raise. They don’t stand a chance to proceed with this thing. And I’m saying that as someone who, 8 days ago, spent all day in the rain at the GZ Protest.


34 posted on 08/30/2010 9:25:39 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Every election is like an advance auction sale of stolen goods"--H.L.Mencken)
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All RINOS have got to go, asap!


38 posted on 08/30/2010 9:29:29 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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“just think what’s made this country great is we have religious freedom. That’s not the only thing, but it’s one of the most important things in the Constitution.”


Indubitably!

The problem is, is it a good idea to build a mosque so close to the “ground zero” 911 site?

Even many Muslims agree that building the “ground zero mosque” would be provocative, confrontational, and insensitive.

Muslims Speak Out Against Ground Zero Mosque:

http://bigpeace.com/jmwaller/2010/08/24/more-muslims-speak-out-against-ground-zero-mosque/

STE=Q


39 posted on 08/30/2010 9:29:29 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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Ah, Orin yet agains proves the adage:

"Never count your Hatches before they chicken!"


41 posted on 08/30/2010 9:33:11 PM PDT by Yossarian (A pro-life democrat is one who holds out for something in return for his pro-abortion vote.)
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How much do you have to pay, or what behavior or crime must you have on a Senator, to compel them to commit Treason?

What ever that threshold is, it has been reached in the case of Hatch!

How can he look his family, and grandkids in the face knowing that he has sold out their future?
POX on Hatch and his fellow RINO herd.


42 posted on 08/30/2010 9:34:25 PM PDT by J Edgar
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They got rid of Bennett, now Utah needs to make another change at the next opportunity.


43 posted on 08/30/2010 9:34:32 PM PDT by Will88
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