[CharlesMartelsGhost]

After reading the book review op-ed written by Spengler I sent a sample to SULTAN KNISH for his opinion. His opinion: Spengler and Reilly both focus on theology, when the problem is somewhat more basic. Islam is more ideology than religion, it served as a way to try and unify regional families and clans under one banner. This is really the part of the article that matters.

"There is no Islamic society in the Western sense of the society, only nested layers of blood loyalty. Three-fifths of Iraqi (and two-thirds of Saudi Arabian) marriages are between cousins, for the object of the institution of marriage is to maintain the political integrity of the clan."

"...Islam is a layer on top of that. It's made up of stolen bits and pieces of Judaism, Christianity and the pagan religions is absorbed and destroyed. But none of those really matter. Islam is not a religion, so much as a common flag for quarreling tribes and a social system to maintain conformity..."

Is more in line with mine, in that Islam is an ideology not theology nor religion.

[Apercu]

Islam is a fascist political system under the guise of a religious cult.

[timetostand]

it’s a totalitarian ideology disguised as religion! It is the anti freedom!!

[manc]

it is no way a religion, it’s a theocrcay looking to impose hiw laws and views onto the west and this country.

Just a shame that those I can’t think for myself far left kooks cannot understand this

[manc]

it is no way a religion, it’s a theocracy looking to impose it’s laws and views onto the west and this country.

Just a shame that those I can’t think for myself far left kooks cannot understand this.

[beethovenfan]

Does a bear obama in the woods?

[Nosterrex]

Islam is a false religion that embraces a false political ideology.

[livius]

"...Islam is a layer on top of that. It's made up of stolen bits and pieces of Judaism, Christianity and the pagan religions is absorbed and destroyed. But none of those really matter. Islam is not a religion, so much as a common flag for quarreling tribes and a social system to maintain conformity

This is a very important point. Islam was a syncretist cult basically developed (in bits and pieces) to smooth the acceptance of domination by Mohammed's tribe. While the 12th century may have been decisive in solidifying and affirming Islam's anti-rational nature, it never had a solid basis that could be reasonably defended in the first place, nor did it have a reasonable way of looking at the world.

[Oratam]

Mohammed got tired of hearing the religious debates on his travels throughout the middle-east. It gave him fits! He knew he didn’t like the pantheon of gods in the great temple at Mecca so he smashed them all. Then he came up with a smashing good sales pitch to attract to himself army of adherents. Once achieved, he and his followers began an multi-century campaign to conquer the world.

[Artemis Webb]

Islam is not a pagan religion.

[Ladycalif]

Islam, like the worship of the “Saint of Death” by the Mexican Cartels, is Satanic, as evidenced by the Human, Blood Sacrifices.

[sueuprising]

Is more in line with mine, in that Islam is an ideology not theology nor religion Islam is a religion of tribal relations. Despite the Moslem's insistence on monotheism, the god that is worshipped is not the Judeo Christian one, but more a tribal chieftain. The roots of Islam are buried deep into warrior and clan soil and it is this kind of murderous barbarism that is exposed in the contemporary world as the Moslem seeks to claim victory. Islam seems like an ideology because all tribal societies are ideological and certainly political. The tribe and its blood relations are the basis for an economic and political strata that no longer is content to remain in the Arabian landscape. Filled with their own hubris, and pumped up by millions of dollars from oil, the Moslem is determined to conquer and believes it is his destiny. For anyone to not see this, they would have to be deceiving themselves. What we need is another Charlemagne to lead us.

[Redbob]

Your definitions align with my idea (probably not original...) that islam is a stone-age socio-economic system dressed up as religion.
With the emphasis on “stone-age.”

Arab science was stunning - 1000 years ago. Nothing much of consequence was accomplished in the Arab world after the advent of islam.

[LiteKeeper]

All worldviews are based in theology. It is the root of all ideologies. The existence and nature of God are primary and foundational. With a skewed view of God, all other disciplines are skewed: philosophy, science, psychology, ethics, sociology, politics, law, economics, history.

[JSDude1]

Anything that promotes anything other than faith by grace in Christ’s finished work, is PAGAN by definition! (Including Islam).-and no I would not include Judism in that definition since (I could argue their OT prophecies spell out Jesus 100% to a T)!!-GOD DOESN’T CHANGE!!

[arthurus]

Veneer.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Al-Ghazali abolished intermediate causes, that is, laws of nature, leaving great and small events to the caprice of the absolute tyrant of the universe.

Mohammedanism is anti-rational and fatalistic, explaining why Mohammedans are impervious to Christian evangalism and apologetics --they reject rationality altogether. We share no common, non-religious language. Mohammedanism is a particularly diabolical cult in this respect.

How Mohammedans can make any truth claims at all is beyond me. If Allah is free to contradict himself, why should any Mohammedan adhere to the Koran, if Allah could choose to contradict the Koran tomorrow?

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Mohammedanism poses a unique threat to our country --one which I suspect the Founders didn't consider, and that is, the existence in America of a religion that doesn't tolerate other religions.

On a theoretical level, can a State that tolerates all religions tolerate a religion that is violently intolerant of other religions? Logically, there can only be one answer to this question. So what becomes of the First Amendment?

The Founders made two mistakes with respect to the First Amendment. First, they should not have prohibited an established national church. If the US gov't was officially, Baptist, Catholic, or Lutheran, the gov't could logically restrict immigration from Muslim countries.

Secondly, the Founders should have allowed for the suppression of violently intolerant religions.

[Ted Grant]

Spengler has been a longtime favorite of mine. The only thing is, reading his columns often prompt me to get a good, stiff drink - and I don’t drink! :-)

[TalBlack]

“Robert Reilly recounts Islam’s abandonment of Hellenistic reason, and blames it for the subsequent decline of Muslim civilization and the rise of radical Islam.”

Oh c’mon. The light of Reason turned on Islam would reveal it for what it is: The usual crap perpetrated by the usual suspects for the same old reason. Anyone who applies Reason to Islam walks away from it, period.

[MarMema]

There is little doubt that Islam's god is the former chief deity of the polytheistic Arab pantheon, stripped of his consorts and offspring-a variation on the moon god common throughout the ancient Middle East, among the Babylonians known as Sin (the Sinai peninsula is probably named after him) and among the Sumerians as Nanna. Among the pagan Arabs, he was usually called simply "the god," al-ilah: Allah. The moon god Allah, whose crescent symbol today caps mosques the world over, headed a pantheon of over 300 lesser divinities, including three daughters called Lat, Uzza, and Manat. In fact, the controversy over The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie centers upon an embarrassing (and historically documented) episode during Muhammad's evolving "revelation" (after his death collected as his Koran-Qur'an, "recitation") in which he admitted the possibility of retaining the three daughter-goddesses under his new dispensation. He later rescinded this idea as having been of false-"satanic" inspiration. Muhammad (the son of Abdallah, "slave of Allah," a further attestation of the deity's pre-Islamic origin) was of the Quraysh tribe, the custodians of the Meccan shrine to the pantheon known as the Ka'bah ("cube"), which houses a black stone (probably a meteorite) that Muslim pilgrims continue to venerate. Pilgrims also perform other pre-Islamic pagan rites such as stoning the devil at Wadi Mina and partaking of the waters of the Zamzam well.

[Eagles6]

I agree. We must get to the point where we deem that islam is not a religion.

Would we allow aztecs or mayans to perform human sacrifices on 1st Amendment grounds? Of course not.

But somehow we have been led to believe that a "cult" that commits human sacrifice as a requirement to enter paradise is worthy of Constitutional protection.