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1 posted on 08/21/2010 5:22:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I am seeing more posts getting away from excerpting.

I think excerpts encourage people to click on the link, which is only just to reward the author who wrote the piece and the site that published it.

As for your post, excellent as usual. Had not seen this particular author at American Thinker, but she’s a find!


2 posted on 08/21/2010 5:25:57 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Congress won't stop spending, so I WILL.. . . Starve the beast!)
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Wait till the emperor steps in and imposes a moratorium on them or something.


3 posted on 08/21/2010 5:27:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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Nero fiddled, the Obammunist eats ice cream.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

4 posted on 08/21/2010 5:29:00 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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6 posted on 08/21/2010 5:39:12 PM PDT by garjog
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That's a part of the problem: these are not "hardship withdrawals" but I-don't-care-about-the-future withdrawals.

For almost two decades we as a nation have saved between 1% and -1%. Is it surprising that, when difficulties arose, that there is no other recourse?

7 posted on 08/21/2010 5:43:35 PM PDT by TopQuark
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Two related videos from ABCNews.com:

Raiding your 401k

401K 'Hardship' Withdrawals Hit All-Time High

9 posted on 08/21/2010 5:55:17 PM PDT by Jean S
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But the Democrats were expecting to keep Medicare and Social Security solvent by taxing our 401k's.

What are they going to do now?

12 posted on 08/21/2010 5:58:32 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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You scream, I scream, we all scream because of who is the president.
13 posted on 08/21/2010 5:58:49 PM PDT by JPG (How much taxpayer $ did Mookie blow today?)
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The place I worked for went out of business two years ago. I have a 401K that I can raid completely by taking the payout. I am thinking about it.

There used to be stories about how the govt. was going to take over all 401K's and manage them. I haven't seen one in a while and that scares me.

14 posted on 08/21/2010 6:00:06 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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Am sure he is glad he said he wasn’t “going to rest until...” instead of saying “I’m not going to eat ice cream until...” or “I’m not going to play golf until...”


15 posted on 08/21/2010 6:01:41 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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At least the government isn’t doing it...(yet...)

Also it’s better than taking gov’t money...


23 posted on 08/21/2010 6:23:19 PM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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CHANGE

Second thoughts abound presently I bet.

24 posted on 08/21/2010 6:25:27 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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I saw almost the identical report on ABC News last night. I can only speak for myself and the plan I'm under but:

1) If you take out a loan and are employed, the money comes back out of your payroll and goes back into the plan - as does the interest on the loan - since you are essentially borrowing money from yourself. Yes, it hurts your nest egg temporarily and over the long run, but it isn't fatal as long as you stay employed and the debt gets paid.

2) If you take it out as a payment, you get hit with high taxes twice - first at the time of withdrawal and secondly as income. When I did it, there was no preconditions for hardship and I did not have to get permission from my employer. I'm also below age 59.

3) When a co-worker was asked what happens if he loses his job and has a loan outstanding, he was told he would be sent a passbook and would be expected to make monthly payments as before. ABC News said you have to pay back every penny to the 401k immediately, which would be a hardship to most people who took out the money in the first place.

4) The interest rates on the loans were much better than what I could have had with a personal bank loan, which is why I took them out. You could not withdraw more than 50% of your balance and could not take out more than two loans at a time.

26 posted on 08/21/2010 6:25:46 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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How’s....that....Hopey-Changey...Thing...Working...Out...for...Ya?


33 posted on 08/21/2010 6:42:49 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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Every dollar pulled from a 401k shrinks the money supply by about 95¢.

We call that deflation.


37 posted on 08/21/2010 6:59:27 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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If I had taken all my money out in 2007 and paid the tax and penalty on it, I would still have more than I have today.


40 posted on 08/21/2010 7:10:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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The thing that happens during a liquidity trap is that people do unusual or desperate things to find the credit that they need.

Credit is scarce during a liquidity trap.

But selling things to obtain cash or credit creates more sellers than buyers, so prices fall.

Deflation.


46 posted on 08/21/2010 7:19:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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My wife had lunch with a lady today who owns 3 real estate offices with her son and they were just warned by the banks that the second wave of foreclosures are coming. There were solid loans and not pie in the sky appraisals but the unemployment picture is hitting these families...


54 posted on 08/21/2010 7:53:39 PM PDT by tubebender (Life is short so drink the good wine first...)
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Socialism - Obama style or any other - is the worst thing that can happen to the middle and working classes. The high unemployment creates a client welfare class totally dependent on the political commissars.
61 posted on 08/21/2010 8:23:34 PM PDT by JimSEA
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REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!! Folks, vote on election day to destroy the entire Democrat Party and....with it anti-American, POTUS Barack Hussein Obama!!! November is coming fast!!! And.....remember there is no such thing or being as a good Democrat!!!


62 posted on 08/21/2010 8:25:34 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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