Posted on 08/17/2010 11:13:03 AM PDT by Natural Born 54
Here's something new for the birthers to chew over: President Barack Obama's passport. Says he was born in Hawaii! But the White House has strategically fuzzed out certain data, so the mystery continues.
Now, it's his official passport, which means it's new, so the true believers will not be persuaded. Not that they ever would.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
A natural-born citizen is a citizen from time of birth. Those are synonymous terms. Any definition of a citizen from time of birth is therefore describing a ‘natural-born citizen’.
The only other type of citizen is a naturalized citizen.
The Presidential eligibility reqt is to exclude naturalized citizens.
This is wrong. There are several types of statutory citizens at birth that clearly aren't natural born citizens. Natural born citizenship is such that you are born with direct ties to the country where you were born. The presidential eligibility requirement is to exclude all persons born with ties to foreign countries.
Absolutely wrong. This very distinction was made in Wong Kim Ark when it said :
“The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”
The above describes a ‘born citizen’ as being defined by Constitution (via the 14th amendment). Natural born citizen, it says only a couple of sentence later, is defined OUTSIDE the Constitution.
“In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: ‘The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.’ “
This distinction is made at the beginning of the decision and upheld in the summary of the decision where it declares no one to be a natural born citizen. You really need to learn to read. You’re not going to be successful in life without this ability.
The photos show that on his passport the page above the photo page is the signature page. Now in the video, they show the stamp page above the photo page. But if the signature page is above the photo page (as shown ), in order to get to the stamp pages, the signature page would have to be folded down over the photo page COVERING the photo page. Therefore, can't see the photo page with the stamp page together. It is physically impossible.
Justice Clarence Thomas stated clearly that the SCOTUS is avoiding the issue ... for fools like you, jamese, that means no case, regardless of merit will be heard so long as the SCOTUS has decided to avoid the issue. I'm so sick of you lying, twisting scum at FR ... the stench is almost, ALMOST, too much. Your ilk are succeeding at one thing at least, you are diminishing the readership at FR and the power of conservative debate at FR. Tell your greasy boss, Axelrod, he is almost as brilliant as Karl Rove, in a demonic sort of way.
What about all the other inconsistencies & omissions that I mentioned? And why are you shilling for 0b0z0 anyway? He could clear this up in a heartbeat since even the state of Hawaii officials have declared that they have SEEN his elusive birth certificate. So.... show it.
Sorry, but this is a faulty assumption based on circular logic. Second, there's no 'fantasy' involved other than your own. I gave specific quotes from the decision. You're moving goalposts and completely dodged the argument. You also make a mistaken assumption that the SCOTUS wouldn't uphold rulings based on standing. This, like your ignorance over what constitutes a news release, it just plain stupidity.
What they did in the video was hold the stamp page of one passport over the signature page of another passport
OK. I haven’t viewed the video.
In post #274 , there is a screenshot ( Shot 2 ) of it
Thanks.
Just found your six reasons why you take Obama’s birth myth on faith. I will explain why you put too much faith in this circumstantial evidence, some of which appears to be fraudulent.
1. The alleged COLB as originally presented was redacted and showed signs of digital manipulation. The factlack dot org photos don’t match the original FTS scans and have had embedded data scrubbed which indicated the photos were taken several months before they were claimed to have been taken. The photos include a certificate number than can be legally verified, yet the state of Hawaii refuses. Weight of evidence presented: Zero.
2. Newspaper announcements don’t list a place of birth. 1961 natality reports indicates dozens of Hawaiian children born out of state. There’s nothing to indicate that birth announcements were only for local births. Also, the newspaper announcements list a residence never associated with Obama’s father, indicating the possibility of being fraudulent registered. Weight of evidence: Zero.
3. The date when a record was filed with a state has no bearing on where the birth took place. Weight of evidence: Zero.
4. Common sense?? You claim a lack of money, yet SAD showed up in the state of Washington the same month Obama was born and for the next year or so, attended college as a single mother. Someone gave her money for school and to travel to Washington, so your common sense claim is baseless. Weight of evidence: Zero.
5. Fukino’s original claim was that the state has an original birth certificate on file. This is no guarantee that it says he was born in Hawaii. Her second claim was that other vital records supposably verified Obama was born in Hawaii. Hold up. She just switched her terminology. The ONLY record that verifies a place of birth is an original birth certificate, but Fukino chose NOT to cite that record as verifying a place of birth. She also chose not to identify what records she looked at instead of the original birth certificate. Without knowing what these records are, there’s no way to ascertain the reliability of this claim. Weight of evidence: Zero.
6. The only U.S. passport Obama has ever shown is his current passport. Prior to holding office as a senator, there’s no indication Obama traveled on a U.S. passport. Second, passports can be obtained on the basis of secondary evidence for those who don’t possess a legal birth certificate. There’s no evidence Obama ever used a birth certificate to obtain any U.S. passport. Weight of evidence: very low.
7. This is weak. Thanks to the presence of interpreters, it’s difficult to ascertain what was said and by whom. What doesn’t make sense is Obama’s grandmother saying she was present for Obama’s birth for anywhere but Kenya. We’re forced to believe she was lying or was misunderstood. In the meantime, Kenyan politicians say he was born there and several newspapers characterized Obama as Kenyan-born. Obama’s own wife said Kenya IS his home country and that he ‘returned’ home on one of his trips to Kenya. Does any of this add validity to the claim Obama was born in Hawaii. Of course not.
In summation,you have 1 out of 6 circumstantial pieces of evidence that ‘backs up’ Obama being born in Hawaii. The silly part is that we are left with only circumstantial evidence instead of hard evidence like an original, doctor-signed birth certificate that can be validated as genuine.
Obvious! Thank you for your detective work!
Racist passport - is says “HUSSEIN”
Look carefully, use your eyes, and engage brain. It’s clear as day.
She always shills for 0thugga.
Please See #429
Obama will go down in flames, with the country, rather than go quietly.
His ego would never allow a graceful and peacful exit.
Yeah, I should have read down the thread before replying. He took care of it.
Perhaps I’m not the only one that should look carefully, use his eyes, and engage brain?
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