Don't look, birthers: Obama's passport

Politico ^ | August 17, 2010 | Josh Gerstein

[Natural Born 54]

Here's something new for the birthers to chew over: President Barack Obama's passport. Says he was born in Hawaii! But the White House has strategically fuzzed out certain data, so the mystery continues.

Now, it's his official passport, which means it's new, so the true believers will not be persuaded. Not that they ever would.

[little jeremiah]

I was caught up quite some time ago, thank you.

I think there’s still a small chance to regain our Republic. It’s on the very brink of the abyss.

I think very rough times are ahead but we may regain what we’ve lost yet.

[Greenperson]

I believe that even if it were proved beyond a shadow of doubt he is not a natural born citizen that even a full republican congress and senate would never remove the first black president and if they did the American people would never forgive the GOP for decades if not a century.

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That belief in particular is very disturbing. Basically you’re saying that the Constitution, rule of law and facts mean nothing, and they mean nothing to “the American people”. You have a very strange belief system. I think it’s the exact opposite. If the GOP does nothing due to fear, bribes, blackmail or whatever and does and says nothing to find the truth and then act on it, they will not be forgiven by the majority of the American people.

More and more is coming about about the criminal fraud that is 0thugga, and more and more people are becoming disturbed about it.
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Not only is this particular belief disturbing, it also very much underestimates the American people, especially “black” Americans. Why the assumption that “the American people” (as a whole?) would blame the GOP, when the blame should fall upon the perpetrator of the fraud? And why assume (implied) that ALL Americans wouldn’t equally be outraged at being punked, including all “black” Americans? btw, there’s no EVIDENCE that he even IS the “first black president.” We don’t know who he is.

[ForAmerica]

Looks like the story did do Obama some good. As we speak, stirred-up Birthers are spamming their friends with more conspiracy crackpottery, and more recipients are rolling their eyes and writing off the Right as a bunch of kooks.
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Don’t be mad at us (right wingers) for being smarter than the left! You guys have fallen for the banana in the tail pipe!

[Greenperson]

I believe that it is possible to have a president who is not qualified under the constitution provided that congress does not act either to disqualify him before he is sworn in or impeach him after he is sworn in.
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This is also a strange belief—that the clear requirements of the Constitution can be modified (basically ignored) through action or inaction of the Congress. That makes a mockery of the Constitution. What do they swear to uphold? And if they do not uphold it, what then? The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It cannot be changed by action or inaction of Congress. Neither can a court change the CLEAR requirements of the Constitution. Only the people, through the amendment process, can change the Constitution.

[Uncle Chip]

detritus: the remains of something that has been destroyed or broken up, debris, junk, rubble, dust, rubbish, trash, scrap, worthless material that is to be disposed of.

I'm surprised that it took 13 days to take the trash out.

There is still more "detritus" that needs to be disposed of.

[edge919]

Theoretically she could have surrendered it when she married baby daddy number one. Kenya tribal laws allowed polygamous marriages. No one’s seen a marriage certificate from the first marriage.

[little jeremiah]

Exactly.

The truth needs to be made public and anyone who has committed crimes covering up 0thugga need to be indicted and the rest.

The more the American people see that they’ve been duped, the angrier they will get - at 0thugga and his backers! And at any in gov who said nothing!

[Uncle Chip]

I believe that it is possible to have a president who is not qualified under the constitution provided that congress does not act either to disqualify him before he is sworn in or impeach him after he is sworn in.

So then you are okay with lawlessness.

It must also be okay with you that an embezzler be allowed to keep the spoils of his crime provided that the law enforcement authorities choose not to enforce the law against embezzlement.

[jamese777]

Whoa there fella. Does the U.S. Constitution equate being natural born with mere “birth in the U.S.”?

“Natural born” is citizenship as a result of natural law. An anchor baby isn’t a natural born citizen.

The moment you have to reach for a man-made law to define someone’s citizenship, you know the person in question is not natural born.

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What can I tell you, fella?

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution seems pretty clear to me but perhaps not to you. There are only two classifications of citizens since ratification in 1865: Born citizens and Naturalized citizens. The categories of Born Citizens are explicitly spelled out in the law of the land, the US Code Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part 1, Section 1401:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401——000-.html
Born citizens can become president and naturalized citizens cannot. Whether the 14th Amendment is “natural law” or “unnatural law,” I’ll leave up to you to decide. No law passed by Congress and no decision ever rendered by the Supreme Court has found that there is a distinction between a “born citizen” and a “natural born citizen.”

If it were any different Barack Obama would not be president of the United States today and the US Supreme Court would have taken on at least one of the 8 appeals of Obama eligibility lawsuits that have reached the High Court.
They have rejected them all, without comment.

As a conservative federal judge appointed by Ronald Reagan has said in dismissing the quo warranto claim against Obama:
“This is one of several such lawsuits brought by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen. See Art. II Section 1. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”
Chief US Federal District Court Judge for the District of Columbia Royce C. Lamberth in dismissing “Taitz v Obama,” April 14, 2010

[edge919]

Wong Kim Ark, following the lead of Minor V. Happersett acknowledges that the definition of natural born citizen exists OUTSIDE the Constitution. The 14th amendment is IN the Constitution, thus whatever types of citizenship it defines, it does not define natural born citizenship. The conclusion in WKA supports this because it does not declare the plaintiff be a natural born citizen.

[edge919]

Wong Kim Ark, following the lead of Minor V. Happersett acknowledges that the definition of natural born citizen exists OUTSIDE the Constitution. The 14th amendment is IN the Constitution, thus whatever types of citizenship it defines, it does not define natural born citizenship. The conclusion in WKA supports this because it does not declare the plaintiff be a natural born citizen.

[jamese777]

Wong Kim Ark, following the lead of Minor V. Happersett acknowledges that the definition of natural born citizen exists OUTSIDE the Constitution. The 14th amendment is IN the Constitution, thus whatever types of citizenship it defines, it does not define natural born citizenship. The conclusion in WKA supports this because it does not declare the plaintiff be a natural born citizen.

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“The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts AGREED BY THE PARTIES were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that THE QUESTION MUST BE ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.” (Capitalizations, mine)—US v Wong Kim Ark (1898)

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“Based on the language of Article II, Section I, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section I purposes, REGARDLESS OF THE CITIZENSHIP OF THEIR PARENTS. Just as persons “born within the British dominion [was] a natural born subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States natural-born citizens.” (Capitalization, mine)—Indiana Court of Appeals, “Ankeny et. al. v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels.” November 12, 2009

[Eva]

My former brother-in-law was born in a Cuban hospital, while his father was working for the state dept. and his passport does not indicate that he was born in Cuba. It got him out of having to register for the draft, but it didn’t stop him from getting a passport.

[Raycpa]

So then you are okay with lawlessness.

No way. I respect authority and the only authority able to remove the president is Congress. Any other method would be lawless.

[Raycpa]

This is one of several such lawsuits brought by Ms. Taitz

I cannot think of a better person I would want to pursue this issue in court if I were Obama.

[jamese777]

“I cannot think of a better person I would want to pursue this issue in court if I were Obama.”

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Amen.
I’ve always wondered if Ms. Taitz isn’t an Obama “false flag” operation. She has poisoned the well for Obama eligibility attorneys.
No one can infuriate a judge or a panel of judges like Ms. Taitz and you don’t win when the judge is sanctioning you.

[TauntedTiger]

Sure, but Orly is the tip of the iceberg!

You better just enjoy the quartet like MO or reorganize the deck chairs like BHO.

[Danae]

Can you explain that in plain english. Please?

[Brown Deer]

This document has an embossed seal and stamp and is sufficient documentation for getting a passport or a drivers license. The COLB was photographed by folks at factcheck.org:

LMAO

[edge919]

Your capitalization in WKA says Citizen of the United States, not natural born citizen. If you know your constitution, which is doubtful since you don’t even know what a news release is, then you would understand that citizen of the United States only makes one eligible for Congress. Your citation of Ankeny is undermined by that court’s footnote in the decision where they undermine their own argument and acknowledge that, despite the claim of phantom guidance from WKA, no one in WKA is declared to be a natural born citizen and especially not by the parts they cited. Are you ready to go back and try to learn what a news release is, since you don’t understand the Supreme Court’s decision in WKA??