Posted on 08/08/2010 4:20:05 PM PDT by BigReb555
"When you eliminate the Black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."---The late Dr. Leonard Haynes, Professor, Southern University
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No. Your just entertaining as all hell. When not worshiping the Butcher 'n chief, Lincoln... Your sucking on the toes of the anti-semite, Grant.
I'm sure if his slave[s] wore a yarmulke, he would have expelled them too.
"Settling at White Haven, the Dents' estate in Missouri, Grant began to farm 80 acres (30 hectares) given to Julia by her father. This farming venture was a failure, as was a real estate partnership in St. Louis in 1859. The next year Grant joined the leather goods business owned by his father and operated by his brothers in Galena, Illinois."
From the Grant bio on civilwarhome.com
"His return to civilian life proved unsuccessful. Farming on his father-inlaw's land was a failure, as was the real estate business and attempts to gain engineering and clerk posts in St. Louis. He finally became a clerk in a family leather goods store in Galena..."
From the Ulysses S. Grant homepage:
- 1854-1858, He works a 60-acre farm near St. Louis. He builds a home, sells cordwood and faces a bleak financial future.
- 1858-1859, Enters the Real Estate business with Julia's cousin. He proves incapable of collecting rents and is frequently late to work. Grant was never cut out to be a business man.
- May, 1860, He moves to Galena, Illinois and accepts a clerkship at his father's leather store at $800 a year. He lives in a comfortable, snug house on a hill, fronting a cemetery.
In is biography "Captain Sam Grant", Lloyd Lewis details the six years between Grant's leaving the military and his move to Springfield without once having stumbled upon his managing White Haven for Dent, much less working 30 slaves.
But this all can't be true since, as you told us, 'published history everywhere' supports your claim and not Grant's autobiography.
Not as interesting as kissing the racist butts of Lee and Davis, I'll admit. But that's more a Southron thang.
Read all about it here. Retouching History
Well, the man with whom Amos went to war, was named Rucker, maybe it was Edmund’s son, brother, or cousin? I just thought it was ironic that the name was the same, and it’s not that common a name.
They won’t “get it” until it comes ‘round again...and if things keep going as they are, that won’t be long.
Kiss all states’ rights a final, long goodbye.
The Won *is* “the new Lincoln”.
We’re going to be federalized until our necks break under the weight of the chains.
I hope the weather in Liberia [or wherever we pesky “rebels” are shipped off to] is kind to Celtic hides.
But this all can’t be true since, as you told us, ‘published history everywhere’ supports your claim and not Grant’s autobiography.”
No. I said that according to YOU he was there...you keep referencing the other farmstead (which was part of White Haven) as if it is an entirely different pace...you know, like a liar would...or a dimwit revisionist. Considering that NPR, White Haven National Park, for cripes sake and Presidents.org all agree, I’ll stick with them...you can just stick...I think you are deranged.
“Don’t show this letter out of the family.”
Doesn’t matter...God saw it, damn that soulless dirt bag.
I’ve never read that before.
What a disgusting, amoral, hypocritical subhuman piece of filthy Yankee offal.
Perhaps we should be asking if he was lying or just ignorant. That seems to be in vogue these days...;-)
“I think you are deranged.”
Now be nice.
If it weren’t for these threads, whatever would he do with himself?
He’d have to go find an entirely new social subset to hatefully obsess over.
:)
Me: You DO know that White Haven and his “little farm” were one and the same and that St Louie was just down the road?
You: Then why did Grant say that he needed to build a house in order to have a place for his family to live? Or didn’t White Haven have a residence all the time the Dents lived there? So, I ask you again, are you lying or just ignorant?
Me: You really don’t know what you are talking about, Do you? He built a separate house on the Winter Haven land. Probably so he could be close to his overseer’s job. Of the slaves that he worked every day and the one that he bought from ol man Dent, that he loved to rent out, like a mule.
Here read this;
Slaves at White Haven, the home of Grant’s wife’s family, lived and labored with Grant between 1854 and 1859, when he farmed the land for his father-in-law, Colonel Frederick Dent. The interpretation of slavery at White Haven, now
known as Ulysses S. Grant National Historic Site, provides insight into Grant’s subsequent treatment of African Americans, as well as an understanding of slave life on a 19th-century Missouri farm. According to historian Lorenzo J. Greene, most slaveholders in Missouri owned few slaves—those who owned 10 were considered rich.2 In the city of
St. Louis, slavery was said to exist “only in name,”
where a large contingent of freed men and women were available to work as house servants and unskilled laborers. Colonel Dent’s plantation of over 1,000 acres was only 12 miles distant from the city, but its rural setting was conducive to the perpetuation of slavery, where hired hands were scarce unless they were a neighbor’s slaves. By 1850, a
total of 30 African Americans lived and worked in
bondage at White Haven and in the Dent home in
the city of St. Louis.3
According to Emma Dent Casey, Julia’s youngest sister, there were 18 slave cabins located
on the Dent plantation, a short distance behind the
main house. During Grant’s ownership of the prope
rty in 1867, he instructed his caretaker, William
Elrod, to tear down a number of cabins on the
p ro p e rt y, presumably all that remained of the former
slaves’ homes.4 Today that portion of the original
estate is part of a suburban home development,
and no evidence has been found of these cabins.
Archeological artifacts discovered in the winter and
summer kitchens provide some clues as to the lives
of the white and African-American residents of
White Haven. Evidence suggests that one or more
slaves may have lived in the winter kitchen,
located in the basement of the main house.
Remains of animal bones indicate that slaves were
eating the poorer cuts of meat from slaughtered
pigs and cattle.5 Julia recalled that her father
bought kegs of herring for the slaves, and that they
were provided with everything that the farm produced,
fruits, meat, poultry and vegetables.6
The responsibility for planting, nurturing and
harvesting these crops fell mainly on the slaves.
Although Colonel Dent owned some of the best
farm machinery available, the tasks of operating
the machinery and gathering the harvest were left
to the field hands. In 1858, Grant wrote his sister
Mary that there were “three negro men, two hired
by the year and one of Mr. Dents, which, with my
own help, I think, will enable me to do farming
pretty well, with assistance in harvest.”7 Dan, one
of the slaves given to Julia by her father, and other
slaves were there to help Grant cut the logs and
build his cabin, Hardscrabble. (Hardscabble was the name Grant gave to the small plot of land and home on the Dent Plantation). They also helped him cut and load the wood which Grant sold in St.
Louis.8
One of the individuals who worked with
Grant was William Jones, a mulatto, about 35
years old in 1859. Grant purchased William Jones
from Frederick Dent. When and why Grant purchased
him is unknown at present, the only known
record of his existence being the manumission
paper Grant filed in St. Louis Circuit Court on
March 29, 1859. Grant’s emancipation of William
Jones occurred about the time the Grants were
preparing to move to Galena, in the free state of
Illinois. Grant’s willingness to free Jones contrasts
with Julia’s decision to hire out the four slaves she
owned. Where Jones went after leaving White
Haven is a matter of speculation. Years later, as
Ulysses and Julia were returning home from their
around-the-world tour, Julia met Henrietta, one of
Emma’s former slaves, in San Francisco. She was
introduced as Mrs. Jones, but Julia did not indicate
in her memoirs if she was the wife of William
Jones.9
2 Lorenzo J. Greene, et al. Missouri’s Black Heritage,
(Columbia, MO, 1993), p. 28.
3 Fifth Census of the United States, 1830 Population
Schedules—Missouri, p. 326; 1850 Federal Census,
pp. 507, 583.
4 Emma Dent Casey, p. 2; LeRoy H. Fischer, Ed.,
“Grant’s Letters to His Missouri Farm Tenants”, p. 28.
5 James E. Price, Description of the Artifactual and
Ecofactual Archeological Specimens Recovered from
the Winter Kitchen at the Ulysses S. Grant National
Historic Site, February, 1996, pp. 1-3, 5.
6 Julia Dent Grant, p. 34.
7 Ulysses S. Grant to Mary Grant, March 21, 1858,
Papers, vol. 1, pp. 340-1.
8 Walter B. Stevens, Grant in St. Louis, (St. Louis,
1916), p. 26.
9 Ulysses S. Grant, March 29, 1959, Papers, vol. 1, p.
347; Julia Dent Grant, p. 42, 311.
Me:So, I ask you again, are you lying or just ignorant?
You: “I’d ask you the same but I’ve long since concluded it’s the later.”
Me: Ah. we finally agree on something. You agree that it’s the later (sic)...that you are just ignorant.
Take heart. A little reading (perhaps you could find an adult to read it to you) and you will understand more about history. You don’t need to remain ignorant. Your stupidity, I’m afraid, will remain. But the ignorance can be cured. Stop reading crud by people like Zak and his ilk. That’s why you don’t get this...you’ve been duped. Or you are helping to dupe. There are willing idiots...you may be ne. I guess only time will tell. You have been given references to the most unimpeachable sources and it has been explained to you like the child you seem to be. Why you don’t understand at this point remains a mystery. You may be right though...it may be that yo do not have the capacity.
Hahahaha...Hi Sal...hey, I didn’t know you were acquainted with these fellows...have you met the esteemed author and historian and shameless blog pimp, Mr. Zak? He’s a pip. An historical writer/revisionist who doesn’t believe the wonderful Mr. Grant was REALLY a slave owner and that Mr. Lincoln shat marble.
Bio.com. Much more authoritative than
2 Lorenzo J. Greene, et al. Missouri’s Black Heritage,
(Columbia, MO, 1993), p. 28.
3 Fifth Census of the United States, 1830 Population
Schedules—Missouri, p. 326; 1850 Federal Census,
pp. 507, 583.
4 Emma Dent Casey, p. 2; LeRoy H. Fischer, Ed.,
“Grant’s Letters to His Missouri Farm Tenants”, p. 28.
5 James E. Price, Description of the Artifactual and
Ecofactual Archeological Specimens Recovered from
the Winter Kitchen at the Ulysses S. Grant National
Historic Site, February, 1996, pp. 1-3, 5.
6 Julia Dent Grant, p. 34.
7 Ulysses S. Grant to Mary Grant, March 21, 1858,
Papers, vol. 1, pp. 340-1.
8 Walter B. Stevens, Grant in St. Louis, (St. Louis,
1916), p. 26.
9 Ulysses S. Grant, March 29, 1959, Papers, vol. 1, p.
347; Julia Dent Grant, p. 42, 311.
“But you’re becoming more and more fun the more you mouth foams and your veins bulge.”
Huh?
“I hope the weather in Liberia [or wherever we pesky “rebels” are shipped off to] is kind to Celtic hides.”
Hey, I got one of those (Celtic Hide, I mean)
Let’s hope we’re exiled to some place humid and cool, then.
Major episode of psychological projection.
Disregard it.
I’m more acquainted with historical revisionists than I really care to be, actually.
Personally, I’d rather choke on a jagged truth than swallow a silken lie but ~some~ folks ain’t nothin’ like *me*....:)
[Frankly, I think they rewrite history simply because it makes them appear to be more “compassionate” and “politically correct” and the ugly truth makes them feel too bad about themselves.]
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