2 Articles on Wolves, One With Video of a Large Wolf Pack Roaming the Countryside in Oregon

ChicoER Gate ^ | 8/7/10 | Chuck Wolk

[Tina Grazier]

Thanks to U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy's ruling (PDF file of preliminary injunction order) that the Endangered Species Act protections must be reinstated for wolves in both Montana and Idaho, be prepared to hear of more reports about large packs of wolves roaming the countryside in neighboring states like the one that was filmed in Oregon. Even though neither state, Washington or Oregon, were part of the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf reintroduction program, they are definitely a recipient of the outcome. It was the late "90"s when the first wolves made it to Oregon, now they are beginning to roam in large packs as you will see in the video.

Make no mistake about it, the wolves in the video are direct descendants of the ones set loose in Idaho in 1995 & 1996. Those wolves by the way were not the Rocky Mountain wolves, also known as Canis Lupus Irremotus, they were the larger Canadian grays. The Rockey Mountain wolves were smaller and only hunted in pairs. (the only time they would hunt in groups of more than two was to train their offspring. When the young were old enough they would leave to find a mate and thus hunt with their mate to start the whole process again). However, the Canadian gray wolves are known as the Canis lupus Occidentalis, and they are a super sized predator which hunt in super sized packs. The Canis lupus Occidentalis evolved through the years so they could keep up with the caribou herds which can run hundreds of miles without taking a break to elude any predators. They also evolved into bigger and stronger wolves so as to be able to

Follow the link below to see the video of the
Largest Wolf Pack Ever Found in Oregon

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[trisham]

That wolf is clearly more than 80 pounds. Our smallest dog is about 100 pounds, and she looks little compared to that.

[999replies]

I admire people like you, because you really believe what you present as “facts”, but there aren’t any 180 pound Wolves in the North America wilds. Maybe some fat tamed ones, but not wild ones. First off, that pic is basically proof that it is not a 180 pounds. Wolves have long hair and when you skin them out (more on that in a bit) they have the bodies of slender coyotes. This is why they can run for miles. Secondly, I am a taxidermist and not only have I skinned and mounted tens of wolves, but I am also in constant contact with several of my friends who are also taxidermists in Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and all of Canada.

We have had a running joke for years about how much clients claim their Wolves weigh, just like most fish. Most of us have scales for bears and we have weighed many a wolf. 180 pounds ain’t even close to happening. FYI, I know the person who skinned that exact wolf in the picture.

[Tina Grazier]

Again,

The caption under the photo was done by ME, in a photo program called "MGI Photo Suite", and I miss stated the weight when I typed the caption underneath the photo.

My bad, My error.

The wolf was guessed by the warden to be 180lbs, read the article I linked to for proof of the weight if you doubt me.

[gundog]

Don’t doubt you. I’ve seen 150 pound kitties.

[Tina Grazier]

Proof for your accusations.

Too many who live in Idaho, Oregon, Montana, and Wyoming have seen them that big. Tell them they are wrong.

Until you have proof about whom you claim skinned the dog, you are wrong.

[wku man]

"I thought wolves were generally the size of large dogs (Huskies)."

That's what the wolf huggers want you to think. They want the great uninformed public to think that we hunters (yes, I got my wolf tag last year, but unfortunately didn't get the opportunity to save 100 elk by killing one wolf) are out there shooting Two Socks, the cute little scamp of a wolf from the movie "Dances With Wolves". They don't publicize that Canadian Gray Wolves are as big as many of the ranchers whose livestock they kill.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[wku man]

Hey newbie, if you want facts, go to wwww.saveourelk.com and hear from people who actually live in wolf country (Stanley, Idaho). Yes, Canadian Gray Wolves get that big.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Monkey Face]

Don’t make me get ugly, up there, ‘cuz my Indian Heritage says judges are too political. Not to mention the fact that they ain’t got no Common Sense.

Half of my ancestors were here to meet the other half. Who do you think won this argument?

*kof-kof* I mean, with Cheyenne and Sioux blood...what?

[tbw2]

That’s probably the monster started the “Little Red Riding Hood” story - it’s big enough to eat Grandma.

[Monkey Face]

Wolves have always been BIG. How else could they bring down the elk and buffalo that sustained their lives?

If the White Man hadn’t interfered, there would have been no problen with elk, buffalo, and other stock. Wolves glean the herds, no matter what they are.

America should never be without honorable wolves.

[wku man]

Huh? I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Elaborate, please.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[GoldenPup]

Same as dog scat except it contains alot of hair and bone chips. The wolf eats EVERYTHING.

[Monkey Face]

*kof*

Wolves rule. Buffalo are sustainment. The Tribal methods are the ones that matter. Nothing else will allow us to live free or die.

:o]

[Salvation]

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[ImaGraftedBranch]

80? Hmmph. My Golden weighs 130. I bet she’d take the grey if they got near her bacon strips.

[wku man]

Never mind. When you figure out how to communicate your point, get back with me.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[OneVike]

Wolves have always been BIG. How else could they bring down the elk and buffalo that sustained their lives?

Wrong.

My ancestors are homesteaders in Montana and I can tell you for a fact, the wolf that roamed the West was no bigger then about 50 lbs average.

Whereas the Canadian gray they brought down in 95 & 96 normally get about 100 to 180 lbs on a regular basis regardless of what the pro-wolf crowd claims.

Oh, by the way, I also have 1/8 Blackfoot in my ancestry, and I have had legends and stories handed down to me from the Nez Peirce who are supposed to be the caretakers of the Wolf program in Idaho.
If you look at the devastation in Idaho's Lolo Elk Management zone 10 & 12, you will find that my native brothers are doing a very poor job of what the white man's government is paying them for.

Here are just a few of the hundreds of carcasses laying around that the wolves killed for sport, but never intend on eating.

This bull elk was found killed but not eaten 30 miles outside of Libby, Montana in the Winter of 2008.

The photo on the left shows blood where a wolf landed that the bull elk hooked by the horns and threw in his struggle to survive. The body print of the wolf in the snow is evident.  The photo to the right gives you an idea of how big one of the wolves were by the size of his paw compared to the man's hand. There are plenty reports of 180 lb wolves roaming in Idaho like the one Brett Pitcher of Coeur d'Alene shot in the St Joe area this past winter.

The remaining photos are all from Idaho's
Lolo Elk Management Zone 10 & 12

 

This cow elk, from which the fetus had been torn, died in this man's arms.

Follow this link to see man, many more iomages of the destruction done to the elk herd in Idaho by the Canadian grays who kill just for fun.

Photographic Proof That Wolves Do Kill Without Eating Their Prey

[Monkey Face]

You White Man.
Me Indian.

What next, Kemo Sabe?

*joke*

[OneVike]

Whoever posted this article was wrong in saying that wolf was only 80 lbs. Look at this article and you will see they guessed it's weight at 180 lbs", and the kid who shot it said he saw another one just as big run off.

So no, your dog would be a quick kill.