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2 Articles on Wolves, One With Video of a Large Wolf Pack Roaming the Countryside in Oregon
ChicoER Gate ^ | 8/7/10 | Chuck Wolk

Posted on 08/07/2010 1:40:59 PM PDT by Tina Grazier

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Thanks to U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy's ruling (PDF file of preliminary injunction order) that the Endangered Species Act protections must be reinstated for wolves in both Montana and Idaho, be prepared to hear of more reports about large packs of wolves roaming the countryside in neighboring states like the one that was filmed in Oregon. Even though neither state, Washington or Oregon, were part of the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf reintroduction program, they are definitely a recipient of the outcome. It was the late "90"s when the first wolves made it to Oregon, now they are beginning to roam in large packs as you will see in the video.

Make no mistake about it, the wolves in the video are direct descendants of the ones set loose in Idaho in 1995 & 1996. Those wolves by the way were not the Rocky Mountain wolves, also known as Canis Lupus Irremotus, they were the larger Canadian grays. The Rockey Mountain wolves were smaller and only hunted in pairs. (the only time they would hunt in groups of more than two was to train their offspring. When the young were old enough they would leave to find a mate and thus hunt with their mate to start the whole process again). However, the Canadian gray wolves are known as the Canis lupus Occidentalis, and they are a super sized predator which hunt in super sized packs. The Canis lupus Occidentalis evolved through the years so they could keep up with the caribou herds which can run hundreds of miles without taking a break to elude any predators. They also evolved into bigger and stronger wolves so as to be able to

Follow the link below to see the video of the
Largest Wolf Pack Ever Found in Oregon

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: elk; hunting; idaho; wolves
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If the wolf in that pic was anything near 180 lbs, and the Oregon wolves in the video are related, well then I think the people living in Eastern Oregon need to keep their rifles loaded and their powder dry.

Maybe they could trap a few of these critters and let them loose around Portland. Could we get someone to wright some new lyrics for the song, "Werewolves in London" to say "Canadian Wolves in Portland" instead?

1 posted on 08/07/2010 1:41:05 PM PDT by Tina Grazier
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To: Tina Grazier

80 pounds.


2 posted on 08/07/2010 1:43:25 PM PDT by gundog (Why is it that useful idiots remain idiots long after they've exhausted their usefulness?)
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To: Salvation

Oregon ping


3 posted on 08/07/2010 1:46:34 PM PDT by goodnesswins (WHEN DEMOCRATS LOSE.....America WINS!)
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To: Tina Grazier

What does wolf scat look like? Is it distinct enough from other predators to identify wolf presence in an area?


4 posted on 08/07/2010 1:47:35 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: Tina Grazier
You are on the right track. It's not that wolves are a problem ~ they are ~ but the people in Western Oregon are a GREATER PROBLEM, and of a type for which wolves are designed to deal!

I can see this pack downtown on Saturday night chawing and gnawing after snatching some of the fatter Leftwingtards out of the crowds standing in line to get into cheap bars.

5 posted on 08/07/2010 1:47:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: gundog
NO 180 lbs. It is true. You mat not like it, but it is fact. Here is another one shot in Idaho.


6 posted on 08/07/2010 1:48:02 PM PDT by Tina Grazier
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To: epithermal

Not sure, but I am sure a google search will help.


7 posted on 08/07/2010 1:48:40 PM PDT by Tina Grazier
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To: Tina Grazier

Wolves rule.


8 posted on 08/07/2010 1:48:48 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.)
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To: Tina Grazier

That is not something I would want to bump into in the woods with one of my bolt rifles, most of which carry three rounds.


9 posted on 08/07/2010 1:49:59 PM PDT by pallis
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To: gundog
80 pounds. The head maybe.
10 posted on 08/07/2010 1:50:41 PM PDT by xone
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To: Tina Grazier
From Wikipedia:

Dimensions

Grey wolves are the largest extant members of the Canidae, excepting certain large breeds of domestic dog.[23] Grey wolf weight and size can vary greatly worldwide, tending to increase proportionally with latitude as predicted by Bergmann's Rule.[42] Adult wolves are 105–160 cm (41–63 in) in length and 80–85 cm (32–34 in) in shoulder height.[43] The tail is ⅔ the length of the head and body,[44] measuring 29–50 cm (11–20 in) in length. The ears are 110–90 mm (44–36 in) in height, and the hind feet 220–250 mm.[43] Wolf weight varies geographically; on average, European wolves may weigh 38.5 kilograms (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kilograms (79 lb), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kilograms (55 lb).[45] Females in any given wolf population typically weigh 5–10 lbs less than males.[46] Wolves weighing over 54 kg (120 lbs) are uncommon, though exceptionally large individuals have been recorded in Alaska, Canada,[46] and the former Soviet Union.[43][47] The heaviest recorded grey wolf in North America was killed on 70 Mile River in east-central Alaska on July 12, 1939 and weighed 79 kilograms (170 lb),[46] while the heaviest recorded wolf in Eurasia was killed after World War II in the Kobelyakski Area of the Poltavskij Region, Ukrainian SSR, and weighed 86 kilograms (190 lb).[47]

11 posted on 08/07/2010 1:56:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tina Grazier

I thought wolves were generally the size of large dogs (Huskies). That thing is a monster! Keep your powder dry is right!


12 posted on 08/07/2010 2:00:17 PM PDT by nevs911 ( Let's start over....)
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To: Tina Grazier
For the third time in about a week, a federal punk in a black robe has legislated from the bench, each time tightening the noose around freedom's neck a little more. First it was AZ SB 1070, then Commiefornia's Prop 8, and now this. How much more are we gonna take, my fellow Americans? When will we decide it's time to stand up to the tyrants running this nation, whether they wear black robes, gray flannel suits, New Black Panthers uniforms, or Che Guevara T-shirts?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

13 posted on 08/07/2010 2:01:18 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: Monkey Face
Wolves rule.

Only when judges first rule in their favor.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

14 posted on 08/07/2010 2:03:04 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: gundog; trisham; All
I see now the error of my typing. The article at the site says 180lbs. I made the error by typing 80.


The problem is the whole wolf program that is being mismanaged consists of using Canadian gray wolves which when allowed to roam with an unlimited amount of food. (which happens when you limit human hunters but let them continue)

Most people do not realize that the lower 48 American wolf was maybe 60 lbs at the high end of their size. The Canadian gray wolf is over twice as big, ranging up to 180lbs at the high end.



Check out the size of the head on the wolf that is very common in Idaho because they are Canadian grays. Read the story for yourself here, and you will see that the guy who shot the 180lb wolf, said he saw another one just as big run off. That's two at 180 lbs, how many more are out there? At 180 lbs one wolf can take down a small black bear, imagine what a pack of them that sizer can do. That was in Idaho.

It would be akin to replacing the American mountain lion with the Bengal Tiger, then claim a cat is a cat. So when you ask about what the native species of wolf, I would have to reply that it was the Canadian gray very very tiny cousin.

15 posted on 08/07/2010 2:05:46 PM PDT by Tina Grazier
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To: pallis
"That is not something I would want to bump into in the woods with one of my bolt rifles, most of which carry three rounds."

When I'm out in wolf country, which does triple duty as bear and mountain lion country, I have my .45LC Blackhawk or my .45 ACP 1911 with me. No sense taking chances.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 08/07/2010 2:06:53 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: nevs911
I thought wolves were generally the size of large dogs (Huskies). That thing is a monster! Keep your powder dry is right!

shoot shovel and shut up.

17 posted on 08/07/2010 2:07:16 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Tina Grazier

This judge knows better. He is another one that has no clue whatsoever regarding animals. If he thinks he is a guardian; he couldn’t be more off base and wrong.


18 posted on 08/07/2010 2:12:01 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tina Grazier

Not disputing it. Caption under photo says 80 pounds.


19 posted on 08/07/2010 2:15:47 PM PDT by gundog (Why is it that useful idiots remain idiots long after they've exhausted their usefulness?)
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To: Tina Grazier

We have these in our yard quite often, however, the ones we have appear to be 50-70 pounds:

“Eastern Coyote (Canis latrans var.)

Description
Eastern coyotes typically weigh 30-50 pounds and are 48-60 inches long, approximately twice the size of their close relative, the western coyote. Eastern coyotes have long legs, thick fur, a pointy snout, a drooping bushy black-tipped tail and range in color from a silvery gray to a grizzled, brownish red. The average life span of a wild coyote is four years. Though coyotes are often mistaken for a domestic dog hybrid, recent genetic research has attributed the eastern coyote’s larger size and unique behavioral characteristics to interbreeding with Canadian gray wolves. Unlike the wolf or domestic dog, coyotes run with their tail pointing down.”
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/Wildlife_profiles/profile_eastern_coyote.htm


20 posted on 08/07/2010 2:17:53 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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