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New docs point to Indonesian citizenship
WND ^ | August 04, 2010 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 08/04/2010 7:24:35 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s.

In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport.

The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport.

Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligiblity have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788.

A letter from Lolo Soetoro to immigration officials in Hawaii pleading for an extension of his student visa, because anti-American sentiments in Indonesia could endanger his family, offers a possible reason for seeking Indonesian citizenship for Obama.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; constitution; elections; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; obama; palin; politics
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To: muawiyah

LOL

bohica = “bend over, here it comes again”


41 posted on 08/04/2010 7:59:41 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: dynachrome
Soebarkah

Sounds like a disease.

It is and it's infected our country.

42 posted on 08/04/2010 8:01:45 PM PDT by azishot (I can see November from my house!)
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To: magooey
You do realize this is in the immediate post Sukarno era ~ the place was really messed up ~ so, yeah, I'd believe they were short paper.

Look, I've even helped State smuggle typewriters into third-world countries to our own embassies ~ so they'd arrive with all the parts!

There was a time when learning to play the recorder was recommended to new State employees just in case they got stationed in posts with no electricity, running water, motor vehicles, or entertainment!

43 posted on 08/04/2010 8:01:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RobinMasters
Interesting. Not much new here, and if anything, it gives the Present Occupant cover more than revealing anything damaging. It is well known the Present Occupant was a citizen of Indonesia according to Indonesian law. The question remains how does that affect the application of US law?

We know some of our so-calld USSC Justices believe foreign law can be used in deciding US cases but we can bet the same would conveniently forget that in this case. And do we want to go down that road anyway?

We know the definition of “natural born” as applied to Presidential eligibility is unsettled (indeed, it is the only reasonable explanation why the Present Occupant is fighting all the suits on standing and not the actual complaint). Someday the matter can and should be settled, but post 18th century foreign law should have no part IMHO.

44 posted on 08/04/2010 8:04:15 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: self

America citizenship isn’t what it used to be.


45 posted on 08/04/2010 8:04:17 PM PDT by balls
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To: musicman

In my house he has just one name and it starts with an “A”.


46 posted on 08/04/2010 8:05:23 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua
Muttley Laugh
47 posted on 08/04/2010 8:06:52 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: RobinMasters; Ouderkirk
It would also be argued that a mother cannot revoke the citizenship of her son.
48 posted on 08/04/2010 8:06:59 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Party Like It's 1773....)
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To: Ouderkirk

“It can be argued that a minor cannot foresake their citizenship.”

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Any crazy idea can be argued, but not successfully.


49 posted on 08/04/2010 8:10:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: RobinMasters
August 4th is Obama's supposed birthday.

August 4 = 216th day of the year.

6X6 = 36 x 6 = 216 ....

666 ... enough said...
50 posted on 08/04/2010 8:12:01 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USAis no civility in)
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To: RobinMasters

Mods are having a field day on this thread. They are too sensitive.


51 posted on 08/04/2010 8:12:43 PM PDT by balls
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To: Salamander

LOL!
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52 posted on 08/04/2010 8:13:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Salamander

53 posted on 08/04/2010 8:18:12 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: MindBender26

“It would also be argued that a mother cannot revoke the citizenship of her son.”

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That would certainly be a foolish argument to make, since it is done daily here in the US when parents appear in court with their minor children to become US citizens. They have to renounce foreign citizenship to become US cvitizens.


54 posted on 08/04/2010 8:22:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: freekitty

How many names does Obama have?


I’ve got a few names for him but it would be inappropriate for this forum.


55 posted on 08/04/2010 8:23:23 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Unfortunately this could mean no more than Ann was renewing her own passport and asked for Barry’s name to be left off for her new one because he now had his own...

Occam's Razor.

56 posted on 08/04/2010 8:24:44 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: editor-surveyor

Actually, no. It is a perfectly sound legal argument.

A parent can not sign away RIGHTS of a minor child.

For example, all the releases that parents sign for children to go on rides, etc, are virtually worthless in court.

What does work is an indemnification agreement, but that is a completely different story than citizenship.


57 posted on 08/04/2010 8:30:20 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Party Like It's 1773....)
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To: maggief
"As long as his mother's marriage to Obama Sr. was unlawful (because he already had several wives), she could give birth to him anywhere in the world and he'd be a citizen ~ provided she'd attained 19 years of age. "

Citizen? That doesn't qualify one to be President. Must be "natural born..."

I have a friend who was born overseas of a Canadian father and an American mother. That made him automatically eligible for a green card, but he was required to be naturalized as a teenager.

58 posted on 08/04/2010 8:30:31 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: freedomfiter2
Wooden stake.

Remember when he spoke at Notre Dame, I believe, he had the cross taken down.

59 posted on 08/04/2010 8:33:04 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: balls
Mods are having a field day on this thread. They are too sensitive.

Can we complain about the moderators canceling number 26 and 36. I don't see anything that requires elimination from my earlier copy of the thread.


60 posted on 08/04/2010 8:35:33 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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