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1 posted on 07/27/2010 10:38:48 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: chatter4

At some point, whether we want to accept the fact or not, its going to come down to a few hard men. And we are going to have to undertake extraordinary measures to restore our country and the constitution.


2 posted on 07/27/2010 10:45:16 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: chatter4

Also, conservatism must, finally, win in all major U.S. cities, and for the long-term, if non-leftists really want to successfully survive for the far future.


7 posted on 07/27/2010 11:26:04 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: ml/nj

This is how the election won’t happen. You could be right about that.


8 posted on 07/27/2010 11:33:27 PM PDT by vharlow
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To: chatter4

This needs to go to SCOTUS.


9 posted on 07/27/2010 11:36:54 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: chatter4

Yes, just let NY and CA elect our Presidents in the future. That would be fair right? Why bother counting or even considering what other peon states want for leadership. They don’t have enough sense anyhow right?!


11 posted on 07/28/2010 12:19:14 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: chatter4

I’m very confused. If it’s winner-take-all now, what exactly are they trying to change? To what?


16 posted on 07/28/2010 12:49:51 AM PDT by matthew fuller (2012: Bachman, Bolton, Brewer, Liz Cheney, Coburn, DeMint, Inhofe, Jindal, Palin and Pence.)
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To: chatter4

I know that there was a law being pushed somewhere that stated the PERCEIVED winner of the popular vote would get all the electors.

Either way, this is UnConstitutional.


18 posted on 07/28/2010 12:57:13 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: chatter4

The illogic of this position goes as follows, how will you EVER decide a close election? When you consider an election as close as Bush_Gore in 2000, how long will you wait for ballot challenges, absentee votes and the like? Remember, Massachusetts and these other states want to commit to the National Popular winner. My guess is that if this had been in effect in 2000, we would have seated a President in 2003 or so after the country threw out all of the challenges and a hissy fit or three!


22 posted on 07/28/2010 3:35:46 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: chatter4

This will resolve itself when a large majority of state voters choose one candidate, but the electors go to the loser.


24 posted on 07/28/2010 3:40:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: chatter4; vharlow
Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland, and Washington have approved this new system, which could nullify your vote.

My vote is LESS likely to be nullified under their great system. NJ hasn't voted for a Republican since Reagan. So all NJ's electoral votes have gone to the Dim. This means that the only likely switch would be TO a Republican who won the majority of the national popular vote, but lost in NJ. Of course, all these attempts to nullify the Electoral College were passed by Dim legislatures in Dim States. The lawsuits that would ensue when a Dim State followed this law and threw an election to a Republican, or didn't, would make the whole 2000 hanging chad thing seem like it was about a parking meter violation.

ML/NJ

29 posted on 07/28/2010 4:52:42 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: chatter4

Next step: Thugocracy mob rule.


34 posted on 07/28/2010 8:33:47 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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They call it a one man one vote idea. However, is Mass. going to really give all their electorial votes to a conservative republican if the people of that state voted for the liberal democrate. I think not. They are being hypocrits.

The electorial system is a good thing because, when used properly, it actually gives the smaller states a greater voice. Like someone said, the winner take all in each state is what screwed up the electorial system. What needs to be enacted is that the electorial vote for a particular congressional district will go to the person who got the most votes in that district. The two senatorial votes could go to the overall winner in the state. That would pretty much make all states equal. California wouldn’t ALL go for the Democrat each time...there are many districts in CA that are conservative.


35 posted on 07/28/2010 4:47:23 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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Doing a little more research on this, I find the 14th Amendment states, “ Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.”

So, in this new system, the States are basically taking away the right of citizens to vote for electors in their own State, because their votes no longer determine how those electoral votes may be cast. So according to the 14th Amendment, if your State is not casting their electoral votes, in accordance with the election results of your own State, they could and should lose all their seats in the House of Representatives.


36 posted on 07/28/2010 5:46:31 PM PDT by chatter4
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