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Science finally answers the question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? !!
The Star ^ | 07/15/2010 | Lesley Ciarula Taylor

Posted on 07/15/2010 5:17:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Scientists wielding a powerful supercomputer have cracked the mystery of which came first, the chicken or the egg.

The short answer: the chicken.

The long answer is contained in the analysis called Structural Control of Crystal Nuclei by Eggshell Protein by British scientists Colin Freeman and John Harding of the University of Sheffield and David Quigley and P. Mark Rodger of the University of Warwick, published in the current journal Angewandte Chemie.

“It had long been suspected that the egg came first, but now we have the scientific proof that shows in fact the chicken came first,” said Freeman.

Sort of.

What came first was a particular chicken protein found in the bird’s ovaries that governs crystal growth and how it spawns an eggshell overnight.

The protein ovocledidin-17 (OC-17) is found only in the hard part of the shell, but scientists have long wondered what its role has been in the creation of calcite crystals and an eggshell.

Using the U.K. national supercomputer in Edinburgh to simulate how the protein clamps on to a surface, the researchers also noticed that OC-17 sometimes just falls off on its own.

The research took 5 million core hours of computer simulations using a tool called metadynamics, the team reported.

What evolves is “an incredibly elegant process” of formation, detaching and more formation that manages to produce an eggshell within 24 hours.

That knowledge, said Harding, “can also give clues towards designing new materials and processes.”

Whether the Warwich-Sheffield solution definitively answers the age-old conundrum remains to be seen.

A few years ago, a British geneticist, a philosopher and a chicken farmer pooled their resources and concluded that the egg came first. The first egg to have the DNA of a chicken would hatch into a chicken, said professor John Brookfield of the University of Nottingham in 2006.

Chimed in scientific philosophy professor David Papineau of King’s College London:

“If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg.”

Brookfield and Papineau were speaking at the behest of Disney as a promotion for the film Chicken Little. But their theory has been the prevailing one.

According to How Stuff Works, “Two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens.”

Alice Shirrell Kaswell took a different tack in her 2003 experiment. Using the U.S. Postal Service, she separately mailed a chicken and an egg.

The chicken arrived first.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chicken; egg; emptydna; emptynesters; godsgravesglyphs; irreproducibleresult; science; shelltheory
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To: UCANSEE2
So... there used to be non-chicken farmers?

Well, yeah. Which also begs the question: "Which came first the Farmer or the Farm?"

The obvious answer would be the Farm. But then again, without the Farmer than there is no Farm ... only a vast patch of land with green thingies growing wild all over it, as well as a whole lotta roaming animates, some which fly and some of which swim.

Then came John Deere, and the non-farmer became The Farmer, taming it all.. Ain't life grand ??? :)

41 posted on 07/15/2010 7:40:13 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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42 posted on 07/15/2010 8:46:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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43 posted on 07/15/2010 9:17:50 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: UCANSEE2

Roosters wouldn’t be much help without mother cluckers...


44 posted on 07/15/2010 9:36:49 PM PDT by MestaMachine (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites- Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it)
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*** I found this ‘knowledge engine’ site. http://www.wolframalpha.com/ ***

Sorry for the day late response but THANKS for that link.

Totally COOL :-)
I bookmarked it to my 'Reference Folder'.

45 posted on 07/16/2010 4:41:17 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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46 posted on 07/16/2010 11:46:45 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv
This thread is a little cracked.


47 posted on 07/16/2010 11:48:31 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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I could have avoided pinging it, but what did you eggs benedict me to do?

[stolen joke disclaimer]


48 posted on 07/16/2010 2:59:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SeekAndFind

The rooster.


49 posted on 07/16/2010 3:14:28 PM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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You're quite the yolkster!
50 posted on 07/16/2010 3:37:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Thanks, although I’m sure everyone else were hoping it would get over a little easier.


51 posted on 07/16/2010 5:41:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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you always know how to tell a good yolk.


52 posted on 07/17/2010 8:46:05 PM PDT by Redcitizen (My tagline went to Tagline Anonymous; unknown as to its date of return...)
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I sometimes manage to pullet all together.


53 posted on 07/18/2010 7:42:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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No worries. Keep your sunny side up!


54 posted on 07/19/2010 9:44:30 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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I think this can continue until Friedegg.


55 posted on 07/20/2010 9:05:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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By Friedegg we could all be eggsausted.


56 posted on 07/21/2010 9:46:00 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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