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Officers In Costco Shooting Identified (NV)
fox5vegas.com ^ | 12 July, 2010 | NA

Posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:06 AM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 07/13/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas Metro police on Monday identified the three officers who shot and killed an armed man outside a Costco store in Summerlin.

They are Officer William Mosher, 38, a five-year veteran of the department, Officer Joshua Stark, 28, who has been with the department since September 2008, and Officer Thomas Mendiola, 23, who joined the department in March 2009.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; braking; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; gun; police
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To: conimbricenses
But suppose you call the cops and falsely claim there's a terrorist on the loose in a train station, inciting a stampede of confusion. You should be personally liable for making that false report.

A more correct analogy would be if you called the police and falsely claime there was a terrorist, and then the cops arrived and precipitated the stampede. Regardless of what the Costco employee may have said on the phone, there was no panic or stampede, nobody got injured or killed until the police showed up and apparently badly mismanaged the situation.

141 posted on 07/13/2010 7:44:35 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Grunthor

Citizens would be fine. But, I’m not one who has a big problem with civilians. I’m not sure it doesn’t describe just as well - after all, the cops don’t know if the person they’re talking about are citizens.


142 posted on 07/13/2010 7:45:43 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

“You’re right, it would be much safer for you if you just killed all suspects.”

How about just murder suspects that refused simple and clearly stated orders possibly putting my life in danger?


143 posted on 07/13/2010 7:46:57 AM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: toldyou

Great father, great son, great family...Real Americans. My prayers go up


144 posted on 07/13/2010 7:47:32 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“We need cops to act like what they are, public servants, not self appointed zoo keepers and overlords.”

When much of the public that they are charged to serve and protect acts like out of control animals, you wonder why cops act like zoo keepers?


145 posted on 07/13/2010 7:48:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: ichabod1
You can’t be too smart and be a cop - you’d get too bored.

You must not be very bright if you get bored so easily.

146 posted on 07/13/2010 7:48:47 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Cboldt

YEah, to me, it sounds more than manslaughter, less than murder in the first degree. I’m thinking second degree. It’s murder, it’s wrongful death, but probably not intentional. Just careless, negligent, and worthy of about 25 years.


147 posted on 07/13/2010 7:49:18 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: MrB
It would be hard to prove, but anyone who INTENTIONALLY misrepresented a situation while contacting the authorities should be liable for the consequences.

So if one of the cops had been drunk and had hit and killed someone when responding then it's the fault of the person who called it in? Ridiculous.

148 posted on 07/13/2010 7:49:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Grunthor

Chick or the egg?


149 posted on 07/13/2010 7:50:26 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: ctdonath2
There are nitwits out there....that don't realize that in many states...a person can LEGALLY carry a pistol.

And then there are those that understand the law, but don't like it...and will cause trouble if they can.

This story is just sad.....

150 posted on 07/13/2010 7:51:44 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Grunthor

If he had a cast or wrist brace on he would have little choice.
If you saw him fiddling around trying to get it off, if it was a brace, would you have shot him?
If it was a cast he wouldn’t have had a choice in whether or not the hand was empty; would you have shot him then?

I have a healthy cynicism/disrespect for authority because I have all too often found myself in the position of two [or more] authorities giving me quite contradictory information/orders. Furthermore, there is a legal problem which I am trying to resolve that EVERYONE [in a public authority-position] I talk to punts on: the State Constitution PROHIBITS any law abridging the right of the Citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense... yet, for example, there is a state statute prohibiting firearms on university campuses.

Any time I bring these up to a public official I get a BS answer like “well, we don’t allow guns in courtrooms” or “the restriction of firearms on campus do not abridge the right for you to own firearms.” (The latter begs the question: What of students living in on-campus housing?)


151 posted on 07/13/2010 7:52:38 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Grunthor
“Andy Griffith wouldn’t last two seconds in todays society.”

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Give me the racial demographics of modern day Mayberry, and I'll give you a prediction on the longevity of Sheriff Andy.

152 posted on 07/13/2010 7:52:58 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Grunthor
When much of the public that they are charged to serve and protect acts like out of control animals, you wonder why cops act like zoo keepers?
I think this is part of the problem: It isn’t actually “much of the public.” But I can imagine that it is much of the part of the public that you meet on the job when you are a cop. Over time, this may lead to a distorted view of the general population.
153 posted on 07/13/2010 7:54:44 AM PDT by cartan
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To: GlockThe Vote

Spent any time in South Central L.A. recently? You think Andy Griffith could handle that? How about certain small towns along our border with Mexico? You ready to send in limp-wristers who just want to “be our servants?”

Those types would be the first to die. Of course many people who apparantly call themselves conservatives and patriots would like that.

The officers in the COSTCO case were wrong, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and unless clear video evidence clears them, they should be given the death penalty but some of you people need to drop the attitude that all or even most cops are like this. They aren’t.


154 posted on 07/13/2010 7:57:36 AM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: Grunthor; Fundamentally Fair
... he did so and did not get shot and he wound up being not guilty or even charged with the murder we thought he had comitted.

So, because of your ASSUMPTION OF A MISAPPLIED/MISALIGNED ACCUSATION, you would have been personally satisfied and justified in shooting the man should he have not OBEYED you? What an ass you make of the law. Suppose he was a diabetic or epileptic? How would you cover your ass?

My eldest son is a police Lt. He has the same attitude. Cop first, no matter what is going down! We don't get along as well, these days! If his "brothers in the UNION" have anything social to do, it is with their ilk and families. If it wasn't for grandkids, I'd tell him to kiss off, as well.

Your attitude is tooooo typical! You may not want to come down my road without a warrant and a smile! I am not naive, and I am well armed/protected/incentivized. I am posted. Castle doctrine applies!

155 posted on 07/13/2010 7:58:28 AM PDT by WVKayaker (“The object of oratory is not truth but persuasion.” -Lord Thomas Babington Macaulay)
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To: OneWingedShark
-- It is the "two standards" for justice/law that is tearing this country apart. --

Decay of the justice system is one symptom of a decadent and rotten system.

You are correct that there are certain classes of society that are not bound by the law. Heck, the entire federal government isn't bound by the constitution, and the people aren't upset over that to the point of revolution. Few people run through the justice mill, so they don't directly feel the impact of the decay.

As for the word "civilian," you are certainly free to attach all sorts of significance to it. The label doesn't bother me. The attitude and conduct bother me.

156 posted on 07/13/2010 7:58:45 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Non-Sequitur

>>It would be hard to prove, but anyone who INTENTIONALLY misrepresented a situation while contacting the authorities should be liable for the consequences.
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>So if one of the cops had been drunk and had hit and killed someone when responding then it’s the fault of the person who called it in? Ridiculous.

No, that is not. Your example is NOT someone intentionally misrepresenting a situation to the police.
I have a it-happened-to-me story where someone DID call the cops an misrepresent a situation (I wasn’t at the place they claimed I was, nor was I engaging in activities they claimed I was); police showed up at my parent’s place, while my younger siblings, were playing in the yard with weapons drawn.

If they had shot one of my siblings would they be responsible?
Furthermore, would the person who MISUSED 911 be culpable in some manner?


157 posted on 07/13/2010 7:59:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

Good, the murderers names are out. May they never find peace.


158 posted on 07/13/2010 7:59:33 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Grunthor

I live in the Bronx, N.Y.


159 posted on 07/13/2010 8:00:01 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: ichabod1
-- Or maybe you're just wishing for them to have a conscience .. --

It's worse than that. They might have a conscience and feel bad. What I am hoping for isn't just "feel bad," I am wishing for torment, enduring mental hell, inability to escape the pang, consumed by guilt.

A Christian thought would be that they find forgiveness, and are relieved (somewhat) from the torment that I want them to experience.

160 posted on 07/13/2010 8:02:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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