Posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:06 AM PDT by marktwain
Edited on 07/13/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas Metro police on Monday identified the three officers who shot and killed an armed man outside a Costco store in Summerlin.
They are Officer William Mosher, 38, a five-year veteran of the department, Officer Joshua Stark, 28, who has been with the department since September 2008, and Officer Thomas Mendiola, 23, who joined the department in March 2009.
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A more correct analogy would be if you called the police and falsely claime there was a terrorist, and then the cops arrived and precipitated the stampede. Regardless of what the Costco employee may have said on the phone, there was no panic or stampede, nobody got injured or killed until the police showed up and apparently badly mismanaged the situation.
Citizens would be fine. But, I’m not one who has a big problem with civilians. I’m not sure it doesn’t describe just as well - after all, the cops don’t know if the person they’re talking about are citizens.
“You’re right, it would be much safer for you if you just killed all suspects.”
How about just murder suspects that refused simple and clearly stated orders possibly putting my life in danger?
Great father, great son, great family...Real Americans. My prayers go up
“We need cops to act like what they are, public servants, not self appointed zoo keepers and overlords.”
When much of the public that they are charged to serve and protect acts like out of control animals, you wonder why cops act like zoo keepers?
You must not be very bright if you get bored so easily.
YEah, to me, it sounds more than manslaughter, less than murder in the first degree. I’m thinking second degree. It’s murder, it’s wrongful death, but probably not intentional. Just careless, negligent, and worthy of about 25 years.
So if one of the cops had been drunk and had hit and killed someone when responding then it's the fault of the person who called it in? Ridiculous.
Chick or the egg?
And then there are those that understand the law, but don't like it...and will cause trouble if they can.
This story is just sad.....
If he had a cast or wrist brace on he would have little choice.
If you saw him fiddling around trying to get it off, if it was a brace, would you have shot him?
If it was a cast he wouldn’t have had a choice in whether or not the hand was empty; would you have shot him then?
I have a healthy cynicism/disrespect for authority because I have all too often found myself in the position of two [or more] authorities giving me quite contradictory information/orders. Furthermore, there is a legal problem which I am trying to resolve that EVERYONE [in a public authority-position] I talk to punts on: the State Constitution PROHIBITS any law abridging the right of the Citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense... yet, for example, there is a state statute prohibiting firearms on university campuses.
Any time I bring these up to a public official I get a BS answer like “well, we don’t allow guns in courtrooms” or “the restriction of firearms on campus do not abridge the right for you to own firearms.” (The latter begs the question: What of students living in on-campus housing?)
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Give me the racial demographics of modern day Mayberry, and I'll give you a prediction on the longevity of Sheriff Andy.
When much of the public that they are charged to serve and protect acts like out of control animals, you wonder why cops act like zoo keepers?I think this is part of the problem: It isn’t actually “much of the public.” But I can imagine that it is much of the part of the public that you meet on the job when you are a cop. Over time, this may lead to a distorted view of the general population.
Spent any time in South Central L.A. recently? You think Andy Griffith could handle that? How about certain small towns along our border with Mexico? You ready to send in limp-wristers who just want to “be our servants?”
Those types would be the first to die. Of course many people who apparantly call themselves conservatives and patriots would like that.
The officers in the COSTCO case were wrong, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and unless clear video evidence clears them, they should be given the death penalty but some of you people need to drop the attitude that all or even most cops are like this. They aren’t.
So, because of your ASSUMPTION OF A MISAPPLIED/MISALIGNED ACCUSATION, you would have been personally satisfied and justified in shooting the man should he have not OBEYED you? What an ass you make of the law. Suppose he was a diabetic or epileptic? How would you cover your ass?
My eldest son is a police Lt. He has the same attitude. Cop first, no matter what is going down! We don't get along as well, these days! If his "brothers in the UNION" have anything social to do, it is with their ilk and families. If it wasn't for grandkids, I'd tell him to kiss off, as well.
Your attitude is tooooo typical! You may not want to come down my road without a warrant and a smile! I am not naive, and I am well armed/protected/incentivized. I am posted. Castle doctrine applies!
Decay of the justice system is one symptom of a decadent and rotten system.
You are correct that there are certain classes of society that are not bound by the law. Heck, the entire federal government isn't bound by the constitution, and the people aren't upset over that to the point of revolution. Few people run through the justice mill, so they don't directly feel the impact of the decay.
As for the word "civilian," you are certainly free to attach all sorts of significance to it. The label doesn't bother me. The attitude and conduct bother me.
>>It would be hard to prove, but anyone who INTENTIONALLY misrepresented a situation while contacting the authorities should be liable for the consequences.
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>So if one of the cops had been drunk and had hit and killed someone when responding then it’s the fault of the person who called it in? Ridiculous.
No, that is not. Your example is NOT someone intentionally misrepresenting a situation to the police.
I have a it-happened-to-me story where someone DID call the cops an misrepresent a situation (I wasn’t at the place they claimed I was, nor was I engaging in activities they claimed I was); police showed up at my parent’s place, while my younger siblings, were playing in the yard with weapons drawn.
If they had shot one of my siblings would they be responsible?
Furthermore, would the person who MISUSED 911 be culpable in some manner?
Good, the murderers names are out. May they never find peace.
I live in the Bronx, N.Y.
It's worse than that. They might have a conscience and feel bad. What I am hoping for isn't just "feel bad," I am wishing for torment, enduring mental hell, inability to escape the pang, consumed by guilt.
A Christian thought would be that they find forgiveness, and are relieved (somewhat) from the torment that I want them to experience.
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