Posted on 06/07/2010 5:18:02 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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Most thoughtful people are extremely concerned about climate change. Some stop eating meat, or flying abroad on vacation, in order to reduce their carbon footprint. But the people who will be most severely harmed by climate change have not yet been conceived. If there were to be no future generations, there would be much less for us to feel to guilty about.
So why dont we make ourselves the Last Generation on Earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required we could party our way into extinction!
Of course, it would be impossible to get agreement on universal sterilization, but just imagine that we could. Then is there anything wrong with this scenario? Even if we take a less pessimistic view of human existence than Benatar, we could still defend it, because it makes us better off for one thing, we can get rid of all that guilt about what we are doing to future generations and it doesnt make anyone worse off, because there wont be anyone else to be worse off.
Is a world with people in it better than one without? Put aside what we do to other species thats a different issue. Lets assume that the choice is between a world like ours and one with no sentient beings in it at all. And assume, too here we have to get fictitious, as philosophers often do that if we choose to bring about the world with no sentient beings at all, everyone will agree to do that. No ones rights will be violated at least, not the rights of any existing people. Can non-existent people have a right to come into existence?
(Excerpt) Read more at opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com ...
"Few of us would think it right to inflict severe suffering on an innocent child, even if that were the only way in which we could bring many other children into the world. Yet everyone will suffer to some extent, and if our species continues to reproduce, we can be sure that some future children will suffer severely. Hence continued reproduction will harm some children severely, and benefit none."I got the following note from an acquaintance who likes to bug me about my stance against Sustainability worshipers: Sounds about right to me.
I am proud that I was the recipient of the following slam Get thee to a psychiatrist. in Jan 2002. A now silent FReeper Tkmorris wanted either not to think of what this ping list addresses, or wanted to embarrass me into abandoning my efforts.
This thread tells you of the latest effluent from Sus high priest Peter Singer.
Today his spin is:
"Life may be hard, so why should anybody need face hardship?Life? Overrated!
Better to cast your babies into the furnace ahead of time.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Tomorrow it will be you whom ZeroCare casts in there as your baby won't be there to protect you.It's all for the best you know.
We're only concerned for your happiness." /s
LOL
Correct.
Absolute lunacy.
The bigger problem is the wrong people increase their production and the right people (who are stable) decide to have no kids. Look at the court TV shows.
The death worshipers think they own the moral high ground.
You know all those political issues in which you see FReepers end their comment with topsy turvey world, bizarro world, the world upside down, black is white and white is black, etc.?
That’s the world that Postmodernist thought aims to bring to us.
Sponsored by Progressives.
Whatever the dictionary definition is for Postmodernism, what it means is for us to get over our future. To get past the seeking of human advancement and achievement that is what modernity has always meant. Postmodern means to get beyond modernity, back into the decay of the past.
This is the long sought repressiveness of “Progressives”, the scorn quotes well deserved, and even worn by them as a badge of honor.
Have you seen the phoenix rising lapel pin worn by many elites and politicians? They who wear them believe THEY will rise from YOUR ashes.
Recognize the enemy and you stand a chance at defeating them.
That is encouraged by all the usual suspects.
“Thats the world that Postmodernist thought aims to bring to us.
Sponsored by Progressives.”
Yes.
” Postmodern means to get beyond modernity, back into the decay of the past.
This is the long sought repressiveness of Progressives, the scorn quotes well deserved, and even worn by them as a badge of honor. “
I saw this as a kid, with people like Gore Vidal, and Noam Chomsky. Also Alinsky, who was nothing but a wannabe, who hung around with the MAFIA to show what an iconoclast he was.
Progressivism is nihilism, and masochism combined.
Ping
Small world. It was D1 who I was posting to back in 2002 when that troll chimed in and tried to frighten me off from taking on the death cults.
The troll was right in one respect. There are not a lot of people people who want to think about the death worshipers, let alone trying to defeat them. But they are out there nibbling away at our lifelines, destroying our outlooks and prospects, trying to convince more and more of us to hate life. For me, there was no other choice. Life is great despite the presence of life’s trolls.
Thank you Avoiding_Sulla. The disruptors and agitators are out in force. It’s only going to get worse as their RINO King and his Queen stump to defeat us.
Thanks for the ping!
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” Life is great despite the presence of lifes trolls. “
Amen!
So why donât we make ourselves the Last Generation on Earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required -- we could party our way into extinction!I forget -- is Peter Singer Bo or Peep?
I’m no Bible-puncher, but Leviticus 18:21 does come to mind immediately.
You might enjoy this article: (Vanity) Alinsky, Lucifer, and the Left: No WONDER They Get it All Wrong
Cheers!
Troll:
The big picture is, it really doesn't matter what we do. In the end, humans are inconsequential. Humans' man-made God is the only thing that makes us of any consequence.Me: Can't have humans thinking they're any different than cattle when you're sending them off to the ovens.
Troll:
Uh, I think that's what your God does (sends people to the ovens (hell)), except your God has humans suffer for eternity. Nice guy.This postmodernist spin is what passes for thought at the highest levels of influence. It hard to see how they are not self-damning.At least the Nazis killed the Jewish first, with mostly painless gas (30 seconds max of suffering), before burning them (no suffering).
Anyone with common sense would agree that a God that permits eternal suffering in a burning hell, is worse than someone that provides a quick and permanent end.
If you don't understand that life is entirely about pleasure and pain, then I am light years ahead of you.
What is sad, is that horrid little trolls like this are increasing their numbers. How many FReepers side with this troll? You would not exist without the Creator. Singer wants to convince his masters' "cattle" that procreation is a sin. Hence, "any suffering is the Creator's fault, and you who procreate are His helpers."
Sunken Civ: Could it be any clearer now why "that topic" has been suppressed at the highest levels of science?
Allowing V's evidence to add credibility to the Bible would have made it that much harder for nihilists to make such trolls of men.
” Troll:
The big picture is, it really doesn’t matter what we do. In the end, humans are inconsequential. Humans’ man-made God is the only thing that makes us of any consequence. “
Nihilism.
” Singer wants to convince his masters’ “cattle” that procreation is a sin. Hence, “any suffering is the Creator’s fault, and you who procreate are His helpers.”
Masochism
I was right on both counts yesterday.
I want my prize ;-)
Good post, Sulla.
Peter Singer and 0bastard with 2.5 years to go.
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