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Give us back the German empire
Asia Times ^ | 05/05/2010 | Francesco Sisci

Posted on 05/06/2010 7:25:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Even on May 1, when Germany was guiding the European Union and International Monetary Fund draft of the carefully crafted rescue plan for Greece, the Greek problems seemed far from over. Many doubt the plan will solve all the troubles that started in Athens and which are now spilling into Europe and the world. This might require far stronger intervention in Greece, although the plan seems a balanced yet possibly insufficient compromise.

However, a larger intervention in Greece opens a box of problems, which this time could be properly attributed to Pandora, the originator of the ancient Greek myth. This box actually takes us directly from Greece to Germany, the strongest economy in Europe, and thus a backbone for Greek salvation or demise.

The past century was by and large the history of Germany, yet, while the German shadow seemed to fade away in recent years, current events in Greece are bringing back its destiny - this time in a way very different from before.

The first half of the 20th century was marked by two world wars revolving around Germany trying to expand and much of the rest of the world rallying together to stop its expansion. The second half of the century saw the Cold War, spinning around a basic point: Germany was divided, split along the strategic lines of two vying blocs. When the German split ended, the Cold War ended as well. In a way, again, the Cold War was about Germany, about keeping it divided. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, the rest of communist Europe fell and old Cold War rifts dissolved.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; eu; germanempire; greece; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat

1 posted on 05/06/2010 7:25:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A Greek domino effect in Europe could have unfathomable global consequences. Germany would inevitably be sucked in, despite its own brilliant economic performance and financial discipline. From this point of view, Germany should intervene in Greece to build some kind of dam for itself.

Still, there is a flip side of the coin. If Germany intervenes in Greece, it signals that any undisciplined country in Europe can hope for a free German ride, and thus that country would be encouraged to carry on its peccadilloes or large sins totally unrestrained - nanny-Berlin will always be there to save its skin. This would also inevitably bring down Germany, as the load of sins of others would eventually grow too big for Berlin to shoulder.

These alternatives entail different courses of actions for Germany. Germany could decide that Greece is its problem, and thus push for a European political union that eventually would de facto politically take over Greece and the rest of Europe. Berlin, aided by other disciplined European countries, could administratively “invade” sinful countries and bring about a European economic discipline that would eventually save the continent.

The idea of kicking the Greeks out of the euro is the cleanest and clearest - it is that of the school principal booting out the rowdy kid. But it is also an admission of defeat: the principal says, “I can’t educate that kid,” and thus he admits that his teaching (administrative in this case) methods are not working or they are no good. It would be an utter defeat of the idea of greater unity in Europe, something that has grown to be fundamental in European cultural consciousness and perceptions in the past 70 years, after the huge massacres of the two world wars.

It would be an historic u-turn; it could move Europe back to the times of unending wars and confrontations, and prove that decade-long conflicts in Yugoslavia were not minor law-and-order episodes, like some kind of mafia wars, but exposed once again the deep undying seed of blood in the European soul. Then, Germany, although it would gain time, would be inevitably sucked in.

This leaves us with the first option, the one that at first sight is the most despicable, as it would imply in fact a German takeover of Europe, something that the rest of Europe had successfully managed to avoid through over a century of fights. It is very complicated, and it is very risky. It causes great qualms and suspicion all over Europe - but especially in the United Kingdom and France (which managed to avoid two expansions at great cost), and also in Russia and the US, as certainly a new German Europe would change the outline of the world. Most importantly, it runs against Germans’ own fear of themselves. But other options, if carefully gauged, are even scarier. Those options might mean wars and destruction, and the end of hard-achieved and widespread continental welfare.

My preference is (author’s preference that is), as Dante wished in the 13th century, for the German emperor to take over, and thus for peace and welfare in Europe.


2 posted on 05/06/2010 7:26:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The author’s conclusion is the same as Hitler’s; the only way to build Europe into a Economic Union is to use a really big ugly stick.


3 posted on 05/06/2010 7:29:48 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: SeekAndFind

Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn’t happen again.
We taught them a lesson in nineteen eighteen,
And they’ve hardly bothered us since then.

— Tom Lehrer


4 posted on 05/06/2010 7:31:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

Oh please. The Germans are responsible and they pay their bills. America elected a muslim because the fools are stupid.

We should be so lucky to have Merkel or Mr. Klaus of the Czech Republic as our leader. I would also take Steven Harper of Canada.

Idiots here are brainwashed by TV and ball games. I love my NCAA ball games and other idiocy. Fools.


5 posted on 05/06/2010 7:38:33 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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To: SeekAndFind

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German Empire? No.

British Empire? Yes — if it is actual British people running the show.


6 posted on 05/06/2010 7:39:16 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Time to warm up the Tigers.


7 posted on 05/06/2010 7:40:27 AM PDT by Riodacat (Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Your have some great thoughts and ideas. I thinking kicking Greece out of the Euro and putting them on probation to get back in is probably the best idea. Otherwise, they will just continue their failed socialist policies that got them into this economic crisis in the first place.


8 posted on 05/06/2010 7:41:18 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator

Double secret probation.


9 posted on 05/06/2010 7:52:07 AM PDT by technically right
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To: SeekAndFind

How about Austria is absorbed into Germany and the Hapsburgs are brought back as Holy Roman Emperor, hee hee. I mean Vienna was a much more stylish Imperial capital then Berlin, hee hee.


10 posted on 05/06/2010 7:52:54 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting article. The question I’ve been pondering is, “So what happens when Germany forecloses on Greece?”

If we don’t get government spending under control soon, then we will become Greece - and China will be our Germany. Either spend less, or spend on F-22’s...


11 posted on 05/06/2010 7:56:07 AM PDT by lowtaxsmallgov (http://www.chrisgibsonforcongress.com/home.html)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov
Interesting article. The question I’ve been pondering is, “So what happens when Germany forecloses on Greece?”

Roll out the Panzers.

12 posted on 05/06/2010 8:16:39 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In heaven, the Germans are the engineers, the French are the cooks and the British are the police.

In hell the Germans are the police, the French are the engineers and the British are the cooks.

13 posted on 05/06/2010 8:20:55 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

There are no British left to have an Empire.


14 posted on 05/06/2010 8:22:06 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Who are the lovers in heaven and hell ?


15 posted on 05/06/2010 8:23:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Americans and the Arabs


16 posted on 05/06/2010 8:26:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: GonzoGOP

Literally LOL!!


17 posted on 05/06/2010 8:31:38 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: C19fan

Both the Habsburg and Hohenzollern lines survive.

I’m not sure about the future viability of the Habsburgs, although Otto, the son of the last Austro-Hungarian Emperor, still lives.


18 posted on 05/06/2010 9:34:09 AM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever you do, don’t make Germany angry.

You won’t like Germany when it’s angry.


19 posted on 05/06/2010 9:39:00 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Unfortunately for history, art, and classical music wonks, a return to the glory days of Habsburg Vienna is somewhat unlikely. The Europeans have appeared to settle on a social democratic model for government, which does have certain similarities to the Ancien Régime, i.e. a more or less hereditary, self-sustaining aristocratic class supported by the effort of society at large, and some really excellent wine for those who can afford it. The rest of Europe may eat cake when they run out of bread.

But economically it isn't really the same thing at all. Under the new model those who have treasuries may be cheerfully plundered by those who have spent theirs (watch it happen with Germany and Greece); under the old, the former were inclined to keep their treasuries at bayonet point. For some reason the new system is generally regarded as more humane than the old. Why isn't entirely obvious.

But I'm afraid we have already seen the inevitable fate of a ruling class unwilling to spill blood to keep its largesse. It loses it. And so, if the new aristos of Brussels intend to maintain a discredited ruling class model on top of a discredited socialistic economic model, we cannot hope for a great deal of stability.

That won't keep the Democrats from trying it in the United States, though. It is good to be king.

20 posted on 05/06/2010 10:12:15 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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