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New light shed on Kent State killings--Shots fired at Guard, declassified files indicate
The Washington Times ^ | May 4, 2010 | James Rosen

Posted on 05/03/2010 6:27:24 PM PDT by jazusamo

Previously undisclosed FBI documents suggest that the Kent State antiwar protests were more meticulously planned than originally thought and that one or more gunshots may have been fired at embattled Ohio National Guardsmen before their killings of four students and woundings of at least nine others on that searing day in May 1970.

As the nation marks the 40th anniversary of the Kent State antiwar protests Tuesday, a review of hundreds of previously unpublished investigative reports sheds a new — and very different — light on the tragic episode.

The upheaval that enveloped the northeastern Ohio campus actually began three days earlier, in downtown Kent. Stirred to action by President Nixon's expansion of U.S. military operations in Cambodia, a roving mob of earnest antiwar activists, hard-core radicals, curious students and others smashed 50 bank and store windows, looted a jewelry store and hurled bricks and bottles at police.

Four officers suffered injuries, and the mayor declared a civil emergency. Only tear gas dispersed the mob.

An exhaustive review later concluded that this unrest on the streets — the worst in Kent's history — was "not an organized riot or a planned protest."

But the FBI's investigation swiftly uncovered reliable evidence that suggested otherwise. Among the strongest was a pre-dawn conversation — never before reported — between two unnamed men overheard inside a campus lounge later that night. Their discussion was witnessed by the girlfriend of a Kent State student and conveyed up the FBI chain of command 15 days later.

"We did it," one man exulted, according to the inquiry. "We got the riot started."

The second man expressed disappointment at being excluded from the riot's planning. "Wait until tomorrow night," the leader replied excitedly. "We just got the word. We're going to burn the ROTC building."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: antiwar; commies; fbi; godsgravesglyphs; guard; hippies; history; kent; kentstate; leftistliars; nixon; nothinghaschanged; protesters; rioters; rotc; shooting; terrorism; vietnam
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To: meyer
Anyway, as for the Kent incident, it wasn’t a peaceful demonstration. These punks had burned down the ROTC building and when the fire department showed up to extinguish the fire, they cut the fire hoses. They were wielding rocks and sticks, threatening the guardsmen.

And the day before, they left the campus and ransacked the town of Kent smashing windows and looting stores. That is why the Guard was called out.

There was nothing 'peaceful' at all about those demonstrators. They were mindless college kids being lead by professional agitators who were absolutely intent on getting some of those mindless kids killed just for the propaganda boost.

The only people happy with those deaths were the professional commie agitators who got the entier thing started.

161 posted on 05/04/2010 11:49:32 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: IronJack; an amused spectator

The 40th anniversary of Ayers’ Pentagon bombing will be in 2012. Think that the media will bother to account that 40th anniversary?


162 posted on 05/04/2010 11:54:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: jazusamo

The 68th Ord Det (EOD) did help search the campus after it was all over and a few weapons were found. At least that is what I was told by some of the individuals that conducted the search.


163 posted on 05/04/2010 12:21:27 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: DoughtyOne

My family being somewht left, when I was growing up I was told about the poor Chicago protesters and the Kent State students. LIES, EVERY DARN ONE! That’s all the left knows how to do. If the Communist/Marxist trash had been taken out then we would not have the problems we are seening now!
Nixon was too easy on the students!


164 posted on 05/04/2010 1:15:26 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: jazusamo

165 posted on 05/04/2010 1:15:42 PM PDT by gura (R-MO)
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To: jazusamo
I also had a conversation with Jane Fonda at Kent State while she was sitting on the open toilet of a coed restroom but that’s a story for another day.

You should have shoved her down it! And I'm serious.

At the time "Hanoi Jane" had such a reputation that you expected her to be some sort of screaming radical. In reality she looked like one of the students, only better dressed. Instead of a scruffy-looking hippie she was conservatively dressed in a tan zippered jumpsuit. Her hair was neat, she was friendly and not the least bit shy about unzipping that jumpsuit and pulling it down for a squat.

This was the weekend of the 4th anniversary of the shootings. Her husband at the time, Tom Hayden, was one of the featured speakers. We didn't hang around for that part we were mostly interested in the concert, headlined by the Doobie Brothers and the Eagles. And yes, they did sing Ohio as part of their set.

166 posted on 05/04/2010 2:41:18 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: nolongerademocrat

no viet nam, then the communists would be running Malaysia and the Philippines and probably Thailand too...

Think Cambodia times three.

Lots of PC disinformation on that war, which was won by the regular North Vietnamese Army, not the locals “insurgents” in the South.

And how good was the North Vietnamese army? Well, later they won a war against China and a war against the Communists of Cambodia...


167 posted on 05/04/2010 3:19:43 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

And why would a so-called conservative continue to defend a cowardly marxist?


168 posted on 05/04/2010 6:03:13 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: dusttoyou
You forgot "poor innocent UNARMED protesters".
169 posted on 05/04/2010 6:05:05 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: the_Watchman

So it’s perfectly ok in your book to kill someone who isn’t instigating a riot?


170 posted on 05/04/2010 6:06:31 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
“And why would a so-called conservative continue to defend a cowardly marxist?”

Which cowardly Marxist?

171 posted on 05/04/2010 6:10:20 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: 2aberro

As opposed to someone who would claim they were “in fear for their life” from a bunch of hippies?

Two of the dead were teenaged girls. One of the dead was half a block away near the entrance to the library he was going to.


172 posted on 05/04/2010 6:12:52 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Myrddin

Then why don’t you look it up?

Are you going to tell me some of the hippies was carrying a 30-06 so they match the ballistics to the National Guard?


173 posted on 05/04/2010 6:15:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: DesertRhino

Then why does the leftists call out the riot squad for a Tea Party rally?

Exactly. The left thinks our Tea Party is violent, bombers, arsonists and murderers.

And if some untrained dumbass cop decides to mow down grandma, you’ll just say, “well, the poor police officer was just a little jumpy”.

Four college kids dead, 67 rounds fired. Congratulations.


174 posted on 05/04/2010 6:21:05 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Maybe not, but, I head one of the Guardsmen say that so and so [ he called his name] had his kneecap crushed by a pipe wrench and he closed with the words, “Nobody cares wht happens to us.”

But he was wrong on that part. I cared and still do.

Posting rules prevent any further elaboration other than you would probably feel more at home on Democrat Underground.


175 posted on 05/04/2010 6:23:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: Free Vulcan
Kent State is one of the foundational events of the whole 60’s movement that they’ve used as a rally cry ever since.

Excuse me? The Kent State riot happened in 1970. How could it be "one of the foundational events of the whole 60’s movement"?

176 posted on 05/04/2010 6:24:15 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: jazusamo

Wow!


177 posted on 05/04/2010 6:24:59 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: sport

The dead kid half a block away had a pipe wrench????

Must of had a long handle.


178 posted on 05/04/2010 6:37:17 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Apparently NOT unarmed nor innocent protesters.

You sure this is something you care to keep pushing?


179 posted on 05/04/2010 7:08:52 PM PDT by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Shooter 2.5

I didn’t say that and nobody on this thread said that. Forget about my advice about looking up “instigating” in the dictionary, you probably wouldn’t understand. :(


180 posted on 05/04/2010 7:11:18 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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