Retired Army general: Lt. Col. Lakin has 'valid point'

World Net Daily ^ | April 23, 2010 | Chelsea Schilling

[Smokeyblue]

A retired Army general and national security policy expert says Lt. Col. Terry Lakin has "a valid point" and should use his "right to discovery" to force the Obama administration to produce proof of his natural-born citizenship status.

In an interview with Evil Conservative Radio, Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely said, "I think many in the military – and many out of the military – question the natural-birth status of Barack Obama. … I'm not convinced that he is [a natural-born citizen]."

Vallely, CEO of Stand Up America U.S., graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961, serving 32 years.

He said he inspected his own long-form birth certificate, and it contains a doctor's name, date and location of birth.

"But he's never been able to produce that," he said of Obama. "His unwillingness to do it also concerns me. I think Lt. Col. Lakin has a valid point. … He refuses to produce a birth certificate that states the witnessing of the birth, the date and who is the doctor. We don't know why he won't come out with that."

[huldah1776]

Another really impressive site regarding his selective service form being created in 2008 is here:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/orlytaitzletter24feb09.shtml

[huldah1776]

If we find out who supplied the SS card collection, would we find out who has planted and groomed this guy?

I love Robert Ludlum books and I bet he could come up with a great story line! :)

[Beckwith]

Klingon Speaks!

"Obama toH Hov leng ngotlhwI' Darur 'e' vIQub"



Translation: "Obama is my hunky man. I will defend my hunky man to the death."

[omegadawn]

Just a few facts to consider: The Supreme Court has already clearly defined the difference between Native born and Natural born.example(Wong Kim Ark and the Elg vs US) . In the Ark case a child was born to parents who has legally immigrated to the U.S. but were not yet U.S. citizens(naturalized). Ark was declared a NATIVE born Naturalized citizen. In the Elg case a child was born to parents who were both Naturalized citizens but later returned home to Sweden. The child was declared a Natural Born citizen. The Ankeny case reference these cases but choose to ignor the opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court. The Ankeny case was in a district court not in a FEDERAL court and is not binding on federal law. Local courts DO NOT overrule the Supreme Court. Why are obama supporters referencing a lower court ruling but are ignoring Supreme Court cases that prove just the opposite. The answer is simple , if this ever gets to the U.S. Supreme court, obama would NOT be declared a Natural Born citizen. If Ankeny is appealed it will be overturned as it has no authority to override Federal law and the U.S. Constitution

[Beckwith]

Klingon is now a judge of who is and who isn't an expert.

Experts for Obama

Experts against Obama, one of which is a a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials.

If Klingon is going to judge who is and who isn't capable of performing a responsible analysis of Obama's bogus COLB, he should present us with his credentials. What qualifies him to make such judgements?

Fair is fair.

[freethinker_for_freedom]

“While that’s an interesting interpretation, no court in the United States is ever going agree with you.

Wrong:

“THE VENUS, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J. concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of Natural Born Citizen)

SHANKS V. DUPONT, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel)

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S.162,167-168 ( 1875) (same definition without citing Vattel)

EX PARTE REYNOLDS, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel)

UNITED STATES V WARD, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D. Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel.)”

I just read the cases you cited and none of them are on point; i.e.; none of them is presented with the question of what is a “natural born citizen.” The best of them, Minor v. Happersett, has some dicta which might be illuminating, but the court makes clear it is not trying to determine what is a “natural born citizen.” The court was merely trying to determine whether a woman born in the state of Missouri would be considered to be a citizen of that state and therefore entitled to vote (a suffrage question).

[Kleon]

In the Ark case a child was born to parents who has legally immigrated to the U.S. but were not yet U.S. citizens(naturalized). Ark was declared a NATIVE born Naturalized citizen.

Wong wasn't running for President, as far as I know, so there was no reason for the court to define natural born citizen. If he were, it would be obvious that he is natural born because he's native born. The Constitution makes that pretty clear. He was not a naturalized citizen; rather, a citizen from birth, a natural born citizen.

[mkjessup]

Thanks for confirming that you don’t have a clue.
Sorry, but if you say something has been "proven," there has to be at least some credible source that's confirmed it. In this case there are none.

You have either been sleeping like Rip Van Winkle over the past year or so, or you deliberately choose to be ignorant.

Having said that, I am not your research assistant, but try going to Google and searching on the following terms:

obama
birth
certificate
fake
COLB

You'll get in excess of 150,000 hits. Start reading. You might even begin with:

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:D9DysSoJp38J:current.com/news-and-politics/89143157_obamas-birth-certificate-proven-fake.htm+obama+birth+certificate+fake+COLB&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca/

[Kleon]

You'll get in excess of 150,000 hits.

I get more hits when I replace "fake" with "real."

[mkjessup]

If Klingon is going to judge who is and who isn't capable of performing a responsible analysis of Obama's bogus COLB, he should present us with his credentials. What qualifies him to make such judgments?
Fair is fair.

Nothing. I submit that Kleon is a closet 0bama troll. First clue? He's from Illinois and probably would hate to see his home boy outed as a fake and a fraud.

And upon what do I make such a judgment?

I make it on the same basis that Kleon/Klingon asserts that the fake COLB has not been 'proven' to be fake.

Like you said Beckwith, "Fair is fair"

[mkjessup]

You'll get in excess of 150,000 hits.
I get more hits when I replace "fake" with "real."

Sounds like you already have your mind made up about it. How much do 0bama's people pay you for this sort of work? Do you invoice them weekly, or monthly?

The scales are tilting more and more in the direction of you being a sleeper troll. You know what that is?

a.) you're a troll.

b.) you're putting us to sleep.

[Kleon]

I make it on the same basis that Kleon/Klingon asserts that the fake COLB has not been 'proven' to be fake.

There's simply no logical reason why it would be faked, because there's overwhelming evidence to prove what it says is accurate and only speculation that it's false.

[Kleon]

How much do 0bama's people pay you for this sort of work? Do you invoice them weekly, or monthly?

I just hate to see so many bright Conservatives buying into this loony conspiracy theory, led by such luminaries as the incompetent lawyer/dentist Orly Taitz and Truther Liberal Philip Berg.

[mkjessup]

I think you’re a fake.

A fake FReeper. All of your posting history points to only one subject that you have an interest in, and that is defending the Dear Comrade and asserting that he is Constitutionally eligible to serve as POTUS when in fact it has not been proven that he is.

I’m calling troll on ya pal.

[Las Vegas Ron]

but the court makes clear it is not trying to determine what is a “natural born citizen.”

True, but they did anyway.

Definitions of words and phrases don't change just so you can apply it to what you want when you want, or in your case to fit an agenda.

[freethinker_for_freedom]

You cited these cases as saying the courts had already ruled several times that someone in Obama’s position was not a natural born citizen. I say none of them made such a ruling. If I am wrong, please cite me the case.

For further evidence that you are wrong, I quote the Plaintiff’s brief in the lawsuit against Obama claiming that he has not shown himself to be a natural born citizen. The first sentence states:

With all post 1789 elected presidents being Article II “natural born citizens,” never in the history of the United States has our nation had to address the meaning of an article II “natural born citizen.” Plaintiffs claims are historic, unprecedented, and constitutional in nature.

[Las Vegas Ron]

You cited these cases as saying the courts had already ruled several times that someone in Obama’s position was not a natural born citizen

I wrote no such thing, you either have me confused with some one else or you're on drugs.

[algernonpj]

There's nothing in the Constitution that creates a separate class of citizens who are born as U.S. citizens but not actually natural-born citizens.

Read Vattel's Law of Nations which was referenced during the constitutional convention. The definition of NBC would not have been specified because it would have been common knowledge at the time.

Also Read David Ramsey's History of the American revolution.

Then read how COLB's were issued at the time of Obama's birth. No need to be even born in Hawaii; you could have been born in Timbucktu and gotten a COLB issued.

[mkjessup]

You’re wasting your time on an 0bama-defending troll, but good references for anyone who wants greater understanding.

[Beckwith]

Hey Klingon!

The only hits you get is from your bong.