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Posted on 04/23/2010 8:47:39 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
A retired Army general and national security policy expert says Lt. Col. Terry Lakin has "a valid point" and should use his "right to discovery" to force the Obama administration to produce proof of his natural-born citizenship status.
In an interview with Evil Conservative Radio, Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely said, "I think many in the military – and many out of the military – question the natural-birth status of Barack Obama. … I'm not convinced that he is [a natural-born citizen]."
Vallely, CEO of Stand Up America U.S., graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961, serving 32 years.
He said he inspected his own long-form birth certificate, and it contains a doctor's name, date and location of birth.
"But he's never been able to produce that," he said of Obama. "His unwillingness to do it also concerns me. I think Lt. Col. Lakin has a valid point. … He refuses to produce a birth certificate that states the witnessing of the birth, the date and who is the doctor. We don't know why he won't come out with that."
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Using Blackstone, Obama permanently owes allegiance to the crown.
Trying to equate a citizen to a subject and vice versa is more than a stretch.
By the way, Vattel says those born in the Armies are considered born in the country, since they never left it's jurisdiction. I'm sure El Gato can provide the chapter if need be.
No need at all to try and make citizen and subject equals, thus allowing for Blackstone's definition to be the source.
My whole point was that could not have been the intent of the founders."
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It wasn't their intent. And, Vattel accounts for that situation. See here.
Have either of you sent this background information to FOX or Beck or Hannity or Megan K ?
Time to educate the masses.
Put it all in a book form and go on a book promotion circuit.
I don't know how dual citizenship is handled in wartime. Does the holder become internally conflicted?
But seriously, I presume he could have been conscripted by the Brits, should his father have maintained connection with the family and so forth. "At birth," quite a bit of future is yet to unfold. But "at birth," he had the natural, unquestionable right to take British citizenship, without undergoing any naturalization process.
“By the way, Vattel says those born in the Armies are considered born in the country, since they never left it’s jurisdiction.”
That clears that issue with McCain up. Still..when the Constitution was finally ratified, it did not change the system of laws that existed in the states that had their precedence in common law. We still in a sense (except for Louisiana) live under that system. If you are going to cite law in the courts of America, you can still cite Blackstone as precedence.... Vattel it seems would be mere reference..but here I’m out of my depth..but considering all the contortions I’ve seen over these past two years I’m not feeling very alone. Thank you for the polite and interesting conversation.
Time to educate the masses.
Put it all in a book form and go on a book promotion circuit."
I've tried, to no avail. The ones screening the emails have their marching orders. I'm fully confident that such an email (or even a written mailed note) would quickly find it's way in the trash. Virtual or not.
In the beginning of this mess, NOBODY in any position of power to do anything about this or speak out about it / investigate it wanted to be label a racist or a this-ist or a that-ist. Now, of course, the negative term used is "birther." There was a lot of fear in 2008/2009 about this issue. But the tides may indeed be turning as people are less afraid of being "labeled" something. Obviously, this issue has not only NOT gone away but it has grown as more people awaken to the mere fact that Barry won't even show a copy of his original long form (if it even exists). Even people who aren't educated on this issue of Natural Born citizen can clearly see that something is seriously wrong with that. It's a friggin birth certificate that he refuses to show!
The biggest thing with me and this case is that at the very least, as much information as recruits have to provide to enlist... they will see the CiC flipping them off in presenting his own eligibility.
Whether or not Lt. Lakin is court martialed isn’t going to be as big a deal as Obama actually going through with a court martial and will make other officers question it as well. “Hey, why WON’T you produce it?”
Yes, but at least he would be “presenting” it to an official and not two college smoes at a website like he did with factcheck.org.
Thanks again, though, for reminding me about G.W. overdue book - The Law of Nations!
Yet more evidence tying in the importance of Vattel with the founders (obviously, though, not 100% exclusive as some suggest in rebuttal).
.......Orders were issued by others and not him.....
But...they were acting on his orders. If he is not valid CIC, the Chain of Command is broken
I don't know how dual citizenship is handled in wartime. Does the holder become internally conflicted?
But seriously, I presume he could have been conscripted by the Brits, should his father have maintained connection with the family and so forth. "At birth," quite a bit of future is yet to unfold. But "at birth," he had the natural, unquestionable right to take British citizenship, without undergoing any naturalization process.
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Therein lies a major part of the issue. The framers clearly didn't intend for someone (post grandfather clause) that had any nationality (& thus allegiance due and owed) conflicts to become the President and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. Obviously, this presents a serious "conflict" of interest.
Repeating untruths over and over again does not magically turn them into fact.
Trolls were identified, harassed and zotted!
No longer. The operators of this site have let the Obots have free rein. It's their site. They have every right.
But now it's infested with the enemy. I wonder what changed?
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> Should have included you, here, as the screen shot comes from your work. No worries. Attribution matters not to me as much as Contribution. They can't be led to the TRUTH. So we will simply speak to those who are capable of seeing
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Agreed. Its speculation with LOTS of circumstantial evidence, but...without actual discovery, that is all it is at this point.
A COLB that looked very much like that is EXACTLY what I used to get my driver’s license. The COLB itself says, “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding” and cites the law that states that. On the bottom. Right there in your image.
I’m sorry, but this is making freepers look foolish.
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