Matthews Challenges 2nd Amendment Advocate Over…Bazookas?

http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | April 20, 2010 | Jim Vicevich

[Biggirl]

Oh brother, I hate it when 2nd amendment arguments descend to this level. Chris Matthews has a Second Amendment activist on his show clearly with the intent of turning him into a kook.

[grumpygresh]

“Au contraire: the Constitution facilitates ALL individuals & states to contribute as they may to creating one great army - the US militia. If someone can bring bigger-than-usual fireworks to the party, they are welcome to do so - not discouraged or prosecuted.”

A militia and the army as mentioned by the Constitution are not the same things. It is true that individuals are needed to contribute to the creation of a Federal army through taxation and through conscription when the need arises. The armed forces are specifically an organ of the Federal government. I am only stating that an individual cannot create an army in the strictly legal sense. In other words, an individual cannot create an army as an extension of a sovereign power as a nation state can.

[Favor Center]

“A letter of Marque is/was an authorization by a government to act on it’s behalf as a privateer or mercenary for retaliation against another government for some wrong. That is what you were talking about.”

Yes. That’s what I am talking about. YOU were claiming that a Letter of Marque was an authorization to arm the ship in the first place.

[Favor Center]

“I guess we’re on one side and you’re on the other. I’m glad I’m on their side...”

You are on the side of the living Constitution.

[Dead Corpse]

How about owning a Privateer Destroyer with 30 carriage guns like the Deanne during the Revolutionary war?

Or do we need to stick with your definition that is pretty much just anything handled or light shoulder fired weapons?

What is more destructive? One Hellfire? Or a Destroyer letting loose a 15 gun broadside?

[Dead Corpse]

Wrong. Letters of M&R commissioned already armed ships. In fact, part of the paperwork to petition for a license was listing your ships weapons compliment.

All the M&R did was give you license to act as an "official pirate".

[Dead Corpse]

I did. I’m still not impressed.

[ChinaThreat]

Letters of Marque and Reprisal - This is what should be done about the pirates in the Indian Ocean and the Malacca Straits and the terrorists in no-man-land places. This would have eliminated all this non-sense related to Gitmo.

[Dead Corpse]

A lot of us were saying the same thing back in 2001.

[70times7]

Therefore, we should be allowed to carry every terrible implement of the soldier.

I'm gonna need a bigger garage...

[Little Ray]

Nope. Private citizens should be entitled to the same weapons as a Light Infantryman.

[Dead Corpse]

Make it Commodore and you are on...

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Stop focusing on the products and start focusing on the principles."

I am focusing on principles. The right of self defense. Read my post 50.

[Little Ray]

You get a Letter of Marque and Reprisal and we’ll see about getting you some Harpoons, Exocets or BrahMos ASMs.
Until then, we’re militia and light infantry.

[ctdonath2]

Then the principles should answer the nuke question without going “OMG! OBL+NUKES!”

[Old Teufel Hunden]

I am on the side of the vast majority of 2nd amendment scholars out there. As I stated before, show me where Larry Pratt and Skip Coryell stated we should be owning bazookas/nuclear arms? They are the ones this whole thread was about to begin with.

As for the letter of Marque. The Congress could give someone like Blackwater or whatever they are called now the ability to act on our behalf as mercs. However, they work through Congress to do that. Just as in the times of our founders.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

Well, the feelings mutual. I’m not impressed either. I guess we can agree on that.

As for the letters of Marque, read my post #95. As for the Deanne during the Revolutionary War, not sure if you realize this but the Revolutionary War was over before the Constitution was written.

If you think that the 2nd amendment allows you to own a suitcase nuke, then you are in disagreement with all 2nd amendment scholars I know of. Does Larry Pratt or Skip Coryell believe that? You know the subject of this thread to begin with? I’m still unimpressed no matter how many posts you bombard me with.

[Dead Corpse]

Other way around. I'm supposed to be able to own those things FIRST, and BECAUSE I do I'm useful as a Privateer.

Kinda hard to capture an enemy ship from my fiberglass canoe with nothing but a Winchester 94.

[Dead Corpse]

For the War of 1812, the US had 23 ships. Privateers made up almost 517 more. http://www.usmm.org/warof1812.html

You lose. Again...

[Favor Center]

“I am on the side of the vast majority of 2nd amendment scholars out there.”

Logical fallacy.

“As I stated before, show me where Larry Pratt and Skip Coryell stated we should be owning bazookas/nuclear arms?”

Show me where Tench Coxe RESTRICTED arms?

“As for the letter of Marque. The Congress could give someone like Blackwater or whatever they are called now the ability to act on our behalf as mercs. However, they work through Congress to do that. Just as in the times of our founders.”

A Letter of Marque was NOT PERMISSION TO BE ARMED. It was permission to ACT as legal irregular forces for a GOVERNMENT. It was a legal protection in war against charges of piracy. It had, as others have pointed out to you here, absolutely NOTHING to do with permission to own the required weaponry.

Who are YOU or Skip Coryell - someone I've never heard of - to tell me I'm not to be allowed... say an M1919?

[B4Ranch]

PING ASAP