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Matthews Challenges 2nd Amendment Advocate Over…Bazookas?
http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | April 20, 2010 | Jim Vicevich

Posted on 04/20/2010 8:32:52 AM PDT by Biggirl

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To: taxcontrol

Even today, I know people who legally own cannons. One is a hand made black powder cannon. The other has a legal NFA 20mm cannon.

The issue should be the appropriate and legal use of weapons, not ownership.

A sane man could safely own a 105mm howitzer. There are even appropriate uses for said howitzer, i.e. avalanche control.

A madman wouldn’t be safe with a Swiss Army Knife.


61 posted on 04/20/2010 11:16:30 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: ClearCase_guy

A Letter of Marque presumes the issuee already possesses the ability to carry it out. To wit: in the days such Letters were used, it was assumed those who were issued such permission already owned battleships and had a crew to service them. Today, if such were issued, recipients would be presumed to already have (or have easy access to obtain) anything necessary to the task ranging from an M16 thru a fleet of crew-served arms.

Another way: one does not receive a Letter of Marque with the understanding that one _then_ procures the necessary equipment, most of which is currently verboten.


62 posted on 04/20/2010 11:16:53 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Favor Center

Ok, I’ll explain this a different way. What does the US Army Ordnance Corp do today? They are responsible for equipping the Army with all forms of weapons, ammunition, artillery, missiles, explosives, etc. This is exemplified by the current mission statement:

“The purpose of the Ordnance Corps is to support the development, production, acquisition and sustainment of weapons systems and munitions, and to provide Explosive Ordnance Disposal, during peace and war, to provide superior combat power to current and future forces of the United States Army.”

Also please note that The Ordnance Department and Artillery Department were merged from 1821 to 1832 in the interest of economy.


63 posted on 04/20/2010 11:17:38 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SkyDancer

I’ll bet you could roast a lot of weenies when you start that puppy up.


64 posted on 04/20/2010 11:17:41 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Biggirl

Um, during our founding people owned war ships with cannons. Why are we such nancyboys now that we think anything past a single action, single shot pistol is kooky?


65 posted on 04/20/2010 11:19:27 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Favor Center

A letter of Marque is/was an authorization by a government to act on it’s behalf as a privateer or mercenary for retaliation against another government for some wrong. That is what you were talking about. People who were privateers who had cannons/etc.. on their ships.


66 posted on 04/20/2010 11:19:50 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: SkyDancer

Wow! You can park an F-15 in diveway?? I seen plenty up close but never thought about their size compared to a driveway. Very cool idea.


67 posted on 04/20/2010 11:20:32 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: grumpygresh
The Constitution does not give an individual or even a state the authority to create an army.

Au contraire: the Constitution facilitates ALL individuals & states to contribute as they may to creating one great army - the US militia. If someone can bring bigger-than-usual fireworks to the party, they are welcome to do so - not discouraged or prosecuted.

68 posted on 04/20/2010 11:20:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Are there NO civilian uses for nukes? Are you sure?

How much does a nuke cost? Are you REALLY that afraid that Opra and Bill Gates are gonna nuke each other? Or that Boeing will finally get fed up with Lockheed?

If you want an Amendment making Nukes off limits, there is a process for that.

Is it too much to ask that the process be followed?

You are dangerously close to "living document" theory. Don't do that.

69 posted on 04/20/2010 11:21:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: ctdonath2
"Those who can afford purchase & maintenance (few indeed) of such things are unlikely to do anything stupid therewith."

Oh, you mean someone like Osama Bin Laden who could purchase it and under the circumstances you lay out could simply give it to some jihadi who is an American with a clean record to use as he pleases. After all, there are no restrictions in the 2nd Amendment that you have to purchase the arms in question. You could simply receive it as a gift, right?
70 posted on 04/20/2010 11:22:09 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: taxcontrol
Which violates established case law and as well as the letter of the Constitution.

See http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/drexel.html

71 posted on 04/20/2010 11:23:23 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Somehow I don’t think OBL will subject himself to any legal restrictions you care to lay on him.

Find a better example. And try reading the WHOLE post.


72 posted on 04/20/2010 11:23:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, I want a Wehrmacht 251 half track, not a reworked OTO 8 knock off, with two MG 42’s. I know a few people that would take an M-113 ARCAV but the slab sides are RPG bait plus your critique.
73 posted on 04/20/2010 11:23:48 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Favor Center
"You clearly aren’t part of “our case”."

The people that were interviewed in this video clip were Skip Coryell and Larry Pratt. I wonder if they are part of "your cause". Do you think they advocate people owning missiles and such? Can you point to the statements where they advocate we own bazookas, fully armed F-18s and suitcase nukes? I guess we're on one side and you're on the other. I'm glad I'm on their side...
74 posted on 04/20/2010 11:25:26 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Dead Corpse

Read my post 50 and post 70.


75 posted on 04/20/2010 11:27:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: CodeToad
I'm thinking it's photoshopped ... plane is way too big to put in a driveway ... I also have this one too.

"What's In Your Garage?"

Photobucket

76 posted on 04/20/2010 11:28:59 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: ctdonath2
"Somehow I don’t think OBL will subject himself to any legal restrictions you care to lay on him."

I read the whole post and what you are advocating is that having a suitcase nuke to be totally legal. He wouldn't have to worry about legal restrictions under your scenario. He could legally send it to someone. Unless of course you are on my side and think that suitcase nukes should be illegal to citizens. Your post never makes that clear.
77 posted on 04/20/2010 11:29:41 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I’m more thinking of a side of Black Angus beef ....


78 posted on 04/20/2010 11:30:20 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: taxcontrol

“Ok, I’ll explain this a different way. What does the US Army Ordnance Corp do today? They are responsible for equipping the Army with all forms of weapons, ammunition, artillery, missiles, explosives, etc. This is exemplified by the current mission statement:”

What does the term “combined ARMS” refer to?


79 posted on 04/20/2010 11:56:21 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Stop focusing on the products and start focusing on the principles.
It’s not about making nukes legal, it’s about prohibiting behavior risking harm thru intent or neglect - and applies equally to nukes & baseball bats.


80 posted on 04/20/2010 11:57:07 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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