Posted on 04/19/2010 9:21:10 AM PDT by george76
The National Rifle Association has been taking a low profile when it comes to the firearms freedom acts that have been passed by seven state legislatures and spawned a growing legal fight between those states, some gun advocates and the U.S. Justice Department.
So far it has cleared legislatures in Montana, Tennessee, Utah, Wyoming, South Dakota, Arizona and Idaho — and is still pending in others. Alabama, South Carolina, and West Virginia have signed onto the lawsuit even though they have not yet passed firearms freedom act legislation.
(Excerpt) Read more at flatheadbeacon.com ...
I think you and Old Missileer are onto something, unlike some others here. It would probably be wise if we would all familiarize ourselves with the tactics of Sun Tzu.
An old friend (retired Marine) used to always shut me up when I’d spout conservative views among his neighbors and relatives. Although pretty conservative himself, it was his goal to bring these folks over to his way of thinking incrementally. Now, most of them support the Tea Party movement.
States don’t have the right to abrogate freedoms guaranteed
in the other items in the bill of rights. Why then should
they be able to abrogate the 2A?
A “States Rights” stand on guns is a bad strategy if you believe in the 2A. That would protect NY and CA peculier gun laws outlawing ugly guns or magazines that are “too large”.
“I think you and Old Missileer are onto something, unlike some others here. It would probably be wise if we would all familiarize ourselves with the tactics of Sun Tzu.
An old friend (retired Marine) used to always shut me up when I’d spout conservative views among his neighbors and relatives. Although pretty conservative himself, it was his goal to bring these folks over to his way of thinking incrementally. Now, most of them support the Tea Party movement.”
Agree with you all. The states are doing ok on this issue by themselves. The NRA shouldn’t polarize the issue by injecting themselves into it. They have other battles they can fight.
Similarly, in politics, it helps to have a range of organizations on one's side with complementary skills and methods. For all the complaints against the NRA, their immense resources can be decisive when they commit, as they did in 1994. As a result, the Democrats have come to regard the gun issue as a political third rail for them.
Is anyone on this thread a member of GOA? I would like more information about them if it is possible.
Can you imagine where we would be at if the NRA had opposed the Federal Firearms Act of 1934? Franklin Rooseveldt said he would not push it without a nod from the NRA. How about the Gun Control Act of 1968? The NRA has been doing better as of late, as our back is up against the wall. I compliment them for that.
While there's still a few days left(til the 23rd I believe) for other States to join the suit, we might try to light a fire under some of the AG's in the Healthcare Freedom Act lawsuit, or anyone else for that matter. I'm going to rattle Greg Abbott's cage here in Texas. He hasn't got near enough to do... ;^)
Shoot...I get two calls per week...minimum. And I’m by no means a ‘major’ donor.
I have issues with the NRA. Blindly one issue politics led them to endorse Gillibrand in New York when she was a House member and supposedly pro-2nd Amendment. There is no dhimmi-crat that should be endosed by them, currently.
They bill me for my yearly dues every three months or so. One thing that really, really bothers me about them is that they’re one-issue voters. If brokko-zer0 voted pro gun, they’d endorse him regardless of his destruction of the country. They’ve endorsed dims here in Ohio strictly on that basis even though the dims were obvious marxists in every other way.
I do my own research on the candidates and have ignored their recommendations pamphlet ever since I read the first one.
The NFA originally called for a $1000 tax that applied to pistols as well as machine guns, short barreled shotguns/rifles, etc. Imagine if the NRA didn't oppose that.
Franklin Rooseveldt said he would not push it without a nod from the NRA.
Can you provide any proof here?
“Can you provide any proof here?”
I will see if I can dig up a reference. I recall reading it. I think it was in memoirs of a Roosevelt associate, so it is not iron clad proof. It sounds plausible, though.
As the NRA usually does.
“The president of the NRA at the time of the debates on the NFA supported the NFA. I'm too tired to look up the sources, but FDR's AG orginally sought a pistol ban as well. The recorded comments of congressmen, senators, the AG and even the NRA president read like Foghorn Leghorn pontificating as to why people didn't need guns... okay, maybe a shotgun to shoot ducks or engage in some plummy sport but not pistols and what became Title II firearms.
There was enough push back based on sensibility in Congress that the idea of a pistol ban was dropped. The NRA represented the genial old tweed-wearing “sportsman” view.
Of curse, like the 1920s-30s British restrictions, these discussions centered around gangsters and undesirables because no one conceived that “the right sort” would ever be affected.
Any GOA types that are disgusted with the modern NRA would gag at the level of cheerful accomadation that was displayed in 1934.”
Posted by: Major Mike at November 17, 2009 09:19 PM
Thats why I quit.
They probably spent way more money mailing me beg notes than the membership cost, it truly got to be ridiculous.
Far more has happened through GOA and all the states going for open carry and shall issue than was EVER done by the NRA.
The Peculiar Story of United States vs. Miller
Yes, they should have opposed the entire bill...like GOA did...lol.
Maybe they’re busy doing other things.
It was the goa that asked for the narrow view of Heller and not the NRA or every single gun group in existance.
I used to send money to the goa all the time until Katrina and I noticed the goa didn’t do anything about it. I then started checking and found they haven’t done anything of significance.
I then started asking members of the goa what they have ever done on their own and never received a reply.
The NRA and the SAF are the ones who have sued after the Heller victor. As I mentioned before, the goa was the only group who asked for the narrow view and since then, they have never had a single lawsuit. Nothing.
If you have problems with the NRA then join the SAF.
Betcha the NRA will be the first in line to use all the above in their next fund-raising scam.
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