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Ron Paul: Why didn’t the north just buy the south’s slaves and free them that way? (Insults Lincoln)
Hot Air ^ | 3-31-10 | Hot Air.com Staff

Posted on 03/31/2010 3:04:35 PM PDT by TitansAFC

Ron Paul: Why didn’t the north just buy the south’s slaves and free them that way?

Getting down to the last two questions here…. Most people consider Abe Lincoln to be one of our greatest presidents, if not the greatest president we’ve ever had. Would you agree with that sentiment and why or why not?

No, I don’t think he was one of our greatest presidents. I mean, he was determined to fight a bloody civil war, which many have argued could have been avoided. For 1/100 the cost of the war, plus 600 thousand lives, enough money would have been available to buy up all the slaves and free them. So, I don’t see that is a good part of our history.....

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To: TitansAFC

Paul doesn’t know history very well. The slavery issue was a sidebar—it was the War of Northern Aggression. The Southern States were fighting for their right of self government—slavery was one of the issues pertaining to that. The North was trying to do exactly what the democrats are trying to do now—eliminate States Rights...When he wrote the Emanicipation Proclamation, is was to dictate to the Southern States that Federal Law supercedes State Law. That is what the war was about. So Paul’s statement shows a total lack of historical understanding.


81 posted on 03/31/2010 3:44:00 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: TitansAFC

Just shows Ron Paul, besides being a kook, has no idea how a capitalist market works. If the north bought all the slaves to free them then the southern plantation owners would have been floating with cash to purchase more slaves.

Freaking moron.


82 posted on 03/31/2010 3:44:13 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Eagle Eye
What historical evidence is there that Abraham Lincoln "was determined to fight a bloody Civil War?" Where is that in the record, and if it isn't, how is it anything but "nutty" to make that claim?

Serious question.....

83 posted on 03/31/2010 3:45:03 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Buchal; CondorFlight; Jim Robinson
"Lincoln’s main interest was not in opposing slavery but in advancing mercantilism, inflationism, and government spending: the “American system” of Henry Clay. Through extensive historical investigation, DiLorenzo shows that the high tariff pushed by Northern industries, at the expense of Southern agriculture, was the main cause of the sectional conflict. Further, Lincoln’s goal in preventing Southern secession was the consolidation of federal power and the collection of revenue, not the elimination of slavery. Introduction by Walter Williams."

Right on the money -- the Civil War was fought over economics and the consolidation of Federal Power, slavery was a secondary issue.

Ron Paul:..."Besides, the Civil War was to prove that we had a very, very strong centralized federal government and that’s what it did. It rejected the notion that states were a sovereign nation. The people who disagree want to turn around and say, “Oh, yes, those guys just wanted to protect slavery.” But that’s just a cop-out if you look at this whole idea of what happened in our country because Lincoln really believed in the centralized state. He was a Hamiltonian type and objected to everything Jefferson wanted."

Two people come out with the same idea, but if it comes out of Ron Paul's mouth, it's just got to be "nuts" here.

RP may have been wrong about "buying off the slaves", given that Condor says it was later attempted and rejected, but he wasn't wrong about the rest. And we have been living with the results of that consolidation of Federal Power and erosion of State's rights ever since.

That erosion of States rights is what has allowed Obama and the Democrats to declare the healthcare issue and virtually everything they want to use to consolidate more power to the Federal government, to be "interstate commerce".

Yes, Jim, "sometimes you just just have to fight for freedom" but nothing guarantees that freedom like the US Constitution. And when we let government ignore it by white-washing the reasons for stomping on it -- like saying "the Civil War abolish slavery", when that wasn't really true --- then we are stomping on the very things that guarantee our Liberty. And I applaud whoever reminds of the truth of that, be it Ron Paul, Sarah Palin or anyone else.

84 posted on 03/31/2010 3:46:12 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: TitansAFC

Well, whether he was blood-thirsty or not, Lincoln was definitely a big government liberal, whose first goal (according to his speeches) was not freeing the slaves but subjugating the South under federal control. During that process, he greatly strengthened the federal government (and conversely weakened state and local power) and rescinded personal rights like habeas corpus. Beyond that, he made it clear that he did not want to have freed slaves in white society; he wanted to send them back to Africa. Read his speeches. Read the transcripts of the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

Interesting to see so many conservatives supporting such a leftie so strongly. Perhaps it’s because he’s so iconic and has been made into such a larger-than-life mythic figure.


85 posted on 03/31/2010 3:46:45 PM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: TitansAFC

Slaves were becoming less valuable economically. Machines were starting to replace human labor, and had considerable benefits. They didn’t get sick and die, nor runaway; you only had to feed them when in use. Slavery would have died out in time when it simply became financially advantageous to mechanize the labor. Mechanized farming would have ended slavery just the same as it replaced horses and mules.


86 posted on 03/31/2010 3:46:56 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: TitansAFC

Reminds me of this guy http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/09.28/slaves.html who at best got scammed and at worse actually fueled a slave trade by increasing demand and enriched warlords. But he felt good...


87 posted on 03/31/2010 3:47:50 PM PDT by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights.)
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To: Mogollon

Your mom is a kook.


88 posted on 03/31/2010 3:48:08 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Osage Orange

It’s a shame that it took 23 replies before someone stated the obvious.


89 posted on 03/31/2010 3:49:15 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Mogollon

When are people going to figure out this guy is a kook and quit voting for him.. oh..., I know... because he brings home TONS of pork to his district... he is the GOP Murtha as far as I’m concerned.


90 posted on 03/31/2010 3:49:53 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: big'ol_freeper

Out of curiosity, where do you think Southerners could have purchased more slaves from? After all, the importation of slaves had been illegal for decades before the Civil War. Perhaps a small number could have been smuggled into the country, but they would have been few in number and likely quite conspicuous.


91 posted on 03/31/2010 3:50:27 PM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: TitansAFC

If Paul is a kook the Professor Walter Williams is, too. He’s said exactly the same thing many times.


92 posted on 03/31/2010 3:50:40 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: TitansAFC

nutburger with cheese.


93 posted on 03/31/2010 3:51:14 PM PDT by steveo (2010 never again)
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To: TitansAFC
Why didn’t the north just buy the south’s slaves and free them that way?

Because that would be a legal blessing of sorts that those people are just commodities and not individuals with full rights. A FREE INDIVIDUAL can't be bought or sold. Once again, Fraud Paul is an idiot.

94 posted on 03/31/2010 3:51:29 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: HD1200
It took a war to end slavery.

And it took an Income Tax Amendment to bring it back.

95 posted on 03/31/2010 3:51:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: CondorFlight

We were just discussing how contentious 1860 would have been with the election of A. Lincoln for President of the US without his name being on the ballot of any southern state.


96 posted on 03/31/2010 3:52:05 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: Tanniker Smith
Seriously, make a quick buck, but then you need someone to tend those fields and keep the house, so then you go again.

from where...??

the importation of slaves had been illegal for decades at that time.

97 posted on 03/31/2010 3:52:55 PM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: TitansAFC
Compensated emancipation would have been the right way to go, and it had the advantage of the British precedent. Lincoln supported it, and he continued to do so right through the late stages of the war. The South wasn't interested.

That said, Ron Paul is nuts to link the issue to Lincoln and the war. He's overlooking the timeline. The deep South seceded before Lincoln was inaugurated, and the rebels fired on Fort Sumter three weeks after. At that point, Lincoln was faced with a war to preserve the Union -- which, let us all remember, is exactly what the Union ralling cry was at the time, with the Emancipation Proclamation not coming until late 1862.

Compensated emancipation in the pre-war decades would have been desirable. In a parliamentary system, it might have been possible. But given the southern parity in the Senate, it was a non-starter unless the South agreed.

98 posted on 03/31/2010 3:53:45 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: FormerACLUmember
Ron Paul and the Paulettes are playing solitaire with 51 cards.

LOL!

99 posted on 03/31/2010 3:53:51 PM PDT by RedMDer (0 = one D Ten T : Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: Sherman Logan
12 million illegal immigrants tells you how the law stops people from being imported across borders
100 posted on 03/31/2010 3:54:47 PM PDT by unseen1
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