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Posted on 03/30/2010 4:13:56 PM PDT by NYer
The MSM is LYING to us???
And some folks on FR are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker???
No Way!!!
I too am dumbfounded!
The MSM is fibbing about the Church Christ founded and anti-Catholic Freepers have been EASILY suckered?
Shocking, I say, shocking!
They always attack the Church during Holy Week. As is seen here, they will make things up, if necessary, to do so.
you forgot the </sarcasm>
Setting the record straight in the case of abusive Milwaukee priest Father Lawrence Murphy
Long Applause for New York Prelate Who Defends Pope
NYT UNFAIRLY CITES POPE'S ROLE [Catholic Caucus]
Scoundrel Time(s)
The Pope and the Murphy case: what the New York Times story didn't tell you
The district attorney declined to prosecute. Unless you think that the Church has the DA in its pocket (something I would seriously doubt) you can't lay that at the Church's door.
Shhhhh, you know facts upset them.
I guess the ‘Old Grey Lady’ didn’t want to be confused by the facts, so the NY Times reporter didn’t even bother trying to contact the person who was ‘quoted’ in the article.
That would have been a matter for the civil courts, but it is my understanding that the justice system in Milwaukee also dropped the ball on this one.
Oops! Didn’t read far enough down. I see now that you had addressed that issue.
You defense of those who rape children is astounding.
Prior to the '80's, as a rule, when these crime were committed, police didn't arrest, victims didn't/wouldn't testify, prosecutors didn't bring charges --it was an intricate system of evasions everywhere you turned, involving not just the churches, but every "helping" profession: counselors, youth workers, psychologists, judges, school administrators, therapists, public officials.
It was very much the muddled smooth-it-over "compassionate" thinking of the times: don't "re-traumatize" the victims by forcing them to provide courtroom testimony, what they need is counseling; don't "criminalize" the abusers, they need counseling as well; don't create a public spectable that envelops the church (the scouts, the sports program, the deaf school) because it destroys people's confidence in the helping institutions, etc. ad nauseam.
Now we can well say we're angry and disgusted with it all, and we know better: but for a long time this was not the way any institution, public or private, religious or secular, operated.
Now the thinking is more along these lines (paraphrase from my retired pastor): "First call the police, then the bishop--- then the press."
There is plenty of shame, guilt, bad judgment and anger to go around. It's 20-20 hindsight. How we wish ALL the offenders were tried on criminal charges and locked away from the kids forever.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say that.
This Pope has done more than ANYONE in the Church to reign in this horror. He sent word to ALL the Bishops Conferences to clean up their Seminaries, so as to stop the attitudes that led to this abuse. What our Bishops Conference, has not admitted, and from what I've read, NONE of the other Conferences have done so either, is that much of the abuse against pre-teen or teenaged boys by done by priests who were active homosexuals. The attempt to portray this as pedophilia is a smokescreen for the majority of the abuse. Political correctness has kept them from stating THAT fact.
I don't know about other countries, but in the US, the Bishops have started moving on those Seminaries that allowed men they KNEW to be active homosexuals into the studies for the priesthood, and some were ordained. This Pope has stated that men who are active homosexuals should NOT be allowed to become priests. Thankfully, the Bishops have begun to listen.
Precisely. The media is trying to judge the Church on present day standards, when those were not in effect ANYWHERE when most of this abuse took place. And again, to clarify, this is NOT a defense of those who perpetrated these horrors on young people, but it’s a point of clarification of why the Church should not be singled out for wrongdoing, when it was doing nothing differently than any other institution of its day and time.
FReepers ordinarily are very wary of press reports because, as we well know, they are often biased or outright fraudulent in support of a particular political axe (usually liberal).
You suspend your disbelief because you want the worst to be true. I don't venture into your motivations for that desire.
But when you not only slander the Pope and the Church, but turn on your fellow FReepers as "defending those who rape children", you are "making it personal".
And by allowing yourself to react like Pavlov's dog not only to every slanderous media report, but to slander in turn those who try to point out the errors in those reports, you are betraying everything that Free Republic and free speech stands for.
You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.
Children were raped and the church covered it up. Those are facts which you and others like to refer to as slander.
You say that my personal involvement in the issue is blinding me? And you are not personally involved? Is it not your church that is at the center of the controversy?
Like Pavlov’s dog? And now you blame the victims?
Let me ask you American Mother, how big is your millstone?
Luke 17:2
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