Posted on 03/30/2010 7:17:56 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
March 29, 2010 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - In this administration nothing happens by accident, at least at the public relations level and DOJ's widely reported raid this last weekend on a group with extremely limited previous public visibility [the Hutaree, a tiny Michigan based group] might well be similarly tainted.
The defendants, David Brian Stone, David Brian Stone Jr., Joshua Matthew Stone, Tina Mae Stone, Joshua John Clough, Michael David Meeks, Thomas William Piatek, Kristopher T. Sickes and Jacob J. Ward, were variously named in a previously sealed indictment go here, Federal indictment Hutaree on 5 counts, including seditious conspiracy [USC 2384], attempt to use weapons of mass destruction [USC 2332], teaching and/or demonstrating the use of explosive devices [USC 842(p)(2)] and two counts of carrying or possessing a weapon during commission of a crime of violence [USC 924 (c)(1)].
Though the charges against this group might well turn out to be sustainable and the threat they posed great and imminent, the mere fact of the timing of this raid is troubling, coming in the immediate wake of a sustained attempt by Democrat politicians to characterize opponents of the Obama agenda as violent right-wing Christian racists, to the extent of having Democrat politicians charge - absent any proof - that they have been victimized - spat upon, subjected to the "n" word and other indignities - by the Tea Partiers [it goes without saying that Dem stunts such as Nancy Pelosi's grand march, gavel in hand, past protesters last week at the Capital were intended to provoke responses which could then be amplified by the MSM].
Helping set the scene, unofficial WH spokes-tard Frank Rich [a former drama critic] chimed in conspiratorially and in hushed tones, writing in the NY Times, "...to find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964...If Obama's first legislative priority had been immigration or financial reform or climate change, we would have seen the same trajectory. The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House - topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman - would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play. It's not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver - none of them major Democratic players in the health care push - received a major share of last weekend's abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan 'Take our country back!,' these are the people they want to take the country back from."
Adding fuel to this phony cellophane fire another of the usual suspects, the race whores at Southern Poverty Law Center issued [see, Rage on the Right, http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right] a "report" which quoted Chip Berlet [a lefty whack job] as saying, "We are in the midst of one of the most significant right-wing populist rebellions in United States history...We see around us a series of overlapping social and political movements populated by people [who are] angry, resentful, and full of anxiety..."
In a March 24 interview with Boston Public Radio WBUR [see, When Right-Wing Extremism Moves Mainstream, http://www.wbur.org/npr/124906766] SPLC's "director of publications and information," Mark Potok stated as if on cue, "I think it's very clear that you see ideas coming out of all kinds of sectors of the radical right, from the immigrant radical right, from the so-called Patriot groups, the militias and so on - and you see it spreading right across the landscape at some of these Tea Party events...I think it's worth saying that much of this is aided and abetted by ostensibly mainstream politicians and media members...I think a lot of these ideas start on the radical right, but they are also being flogged endlessly by Republican officials...Even those who are sort of considered [to be] responsible Republicans have completely abstained from any kind of criticism of this talk. So even way back when, when Sarah Palin was talking about Obama setting up death panels and so on - what we heard was a deafening silence from the mainstream of the Republican Party." [source, http://www.wbur.org/npr/124906766] As Discover the Networks points out about SPLC, "In 1996, USA Today called SPLC, with its $68 million in assets, "the nation's richest civil rights organization." By the end of fiscal year 2003, SPLC's endowment totaled $120.6 million. Morris Dees raised eyebrows in the 1990s when he told an interviewer, "I learned everything I know about hustling from the Baptist Church. Spending Sundays on those hard benches listening to the preacher pitch salvation - why, it was like getting a Ph.D. in selling." [source, http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/splcworldview.html]
Demonstrative of the use to which the Hutaree indictment and the general rabble-rousing around spurious allegations can be put, are the stealth jihadists at the Council on American Islamic Relations [CAIR. named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the United States largest Hamas terror prosecution, U.S. vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al.], "Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group's 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims..." [source, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011468492_militia29.html]
For the record regarding this allegation, Gina Belaya, a spokeswoman for the federal prosecutors' office in Detroit, when contacted this afternoon by PipeLineNews.org, categorically denied any knowledge that the Hutaree group had targeted Muslims, stating that in the DOJ's opinion, "the government," was Hutaree's perceived enemy.
In the sphere of DC politics and ratcheting up the gambit more than a bit, Henry Waxman [chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee] acting as grand inquisitor, last week demanded that AT&T, Verizon, Caterpillar, and Deere & Co. justify their claims about the "costs the companies plan to book related to the new health-care law," clearly delineating a hard-line, zero tolerance policy regarding criticism of team Obama.
Given the foregoing, it seems that this administration and its allies are purposely targeting its critics in a manner which it hopes will demean them as fringe players, thus stoking the poisonous whisper campaign that the Tea Party movement and other critics of Obama's policies represent a fundamental and violent threat to the United States.
Thus we have been given a glimpse into a brave new world in modern day American politics, one in which dissent becomes conflated with violence at the topmost levels of government. If the first 14 months of this administration seemed a challenge for the conservative majority, Obama's intolerance of any level of criticism will make the remainder of the term memorable on several fronts.
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Couldnt agree more on the point regarding Hutaree’s potential for criminality
From the article, “Though the charges against this group might well turn out to be sustainable and the threat they posed great and imminent, the mere fact of the timing of this raid is troubling...”
Our question at base level refers to timing, there are a zillion groups out there including hard line Muslim groups who are carrying out paramilitary training exercises all over America and if the decision was made any of them could be targeted, yet they havent been up until now.
When you examine the confluence of the Dem handling of criticism over the last months capped by this raid one would have to a foolish to ignore the potential.
Hopefull when the prosecution proceeds all such questions will be resolved by the presentation of evidence.
April 19 surely is a red letter date.
Oklahoma City bombing
Branch Davidions in Waco, Tx
Columbine School
They set off some kind of explosive during a training exercise while carrying firearms. Apparently that is a felony. Then, they uploaded it to YouTube.
The only thing suspicious to me is the media casting these thugs as right-wing. If they hated the government, I’d be surprised if they ever voted. The association is made merely because they had guns and some perverted view of Christianity.
The left always loves to bring up Oklahoma, there are a million conspiracy theories out there but McVeigh and Co. though motivated by an anti-government philosophy had no ties to a larger organization which preached violent revolution.
That is NOT the case with the left, which last century murdered at least 50 million people, probably closer to 100 million.
The real blood is on the hands of the left, pass it on.
Like this one, from yesterday?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/29/cantor.threat.arrest/?hpt=Sbin
No one is making the charge, at least no reasonable person stormer, that arresting bad guys is criminalizing political dissent.
However you cant be unmindful that a tremendous effort exists inside this admin to conflate dissent with potential violence.
You also cant ignore the fact - though it might be totally coincidental and of no import - that this bust took place at the end of a particularly alarming week considering the efforts by this admin and the dems to cast the right as violence prone Christian wingnuts.
IF this group targetted LEOs instead of muzzie training camps, they are idiots.
If they were after muzzie terrorists, they are being framed with these LEO charges because charging them with wanting to protect their country from terrorists would really PO the citizenry.
That's why the government fears the 'lone wolf'.
One of the biggest obstacles that we now have in front of us as citizens of our country, is that sources of "real news," not propaganda from the state media, is going to become more and more scarce. At this point the only source of any real news on what is happening is from trusted eyewitnesses that happen to be close/near to events, and a handful of people speaking the truth on the radio and Internet sites. Unfortunately, I fear that these few remaining sources will soon be shutdown, one way or another.
A bunch of dopes running around in the woods playing army isn’t really a big concern. People manufacturing explosives and planning to use them to achieve some political end is. Given the resources of the federal government, I would imagine that there are few groups not under some kind of scrutiny, and when there activities rise to the level of direct threat, action is taken.
No question.
People need to start sorting out law from political corectness. The left does not want us to be a nation of laws, but a nation of unilaterally leftist defined political correctness, ie fascism.
This policy has been created by government over a year ago. Jqnet Reno filed a DHS policy finding delineating the danger of right wing militants.She issued a public apology but the letist based finding was allowed to stand as policy at DHS. This FBI raid is a follow through.
Welcome to the second liberal fascist post-RENO/CLINTONION chapter on WACO and Ruby Ridge. They are getting smarter, Napolitano stayed out of it, but this was a joint DHS/FBI/BATF/ICE exercise. What a laugh. The spent over a million dollars chasing down a bunch of harmless yahoos in the Michigan woods as a political ploy against the right, trying t stem the tide of moderate voters now running away from the Obama Agenda. IT HAS FAILED.
The Hutaree seven , eight or nine didn't have enough resources to feed one extra cow, let alone hire their own lawyers, unlike those in Muslim paramilitary camps scattered around the country.Thats why the coward Holder attacked them.I doubt we will see any evidence of cop killing plans, outside of oral threats. If so, it was likely created by entrapment.
Bless those poor country folk . I hope they are well defended. They are innocent until proven guilty.
This time the government will meet far more egregious armed opposition. .They should stand down from the Holder / Napolitano initiatives against the so called right wing and chase down the Muslim training camps who are a source for international US based training fodder in Palkistan and Yemen.
Obama may not know it, but he and Holder are playing with a fire they will not be able to put out, once ignited. Declaring martial law and postponing elections will only make it worse. Patriots will not abide it.
I should have said CNN TV. The lead story most of yesterday was Michael Jackson’s doctor being arrested, and BREAKING UPDATES on those guys being arrested in Michigan.
I just checked the websites “video” section and it confirms that they have no video segments regarding the guy and his arrest.
It’s also why the Tea Party movement is driving them NUTS.
They can’t focus on “a leader” and demonize him or her ala Alinsky.
Yes. I want to see the presentation of real evidence that couldn't be manufactured by the government that this group constituted an immediate danger over and above the hundreds, if not thousands, of other 'threatening' groups out there, many of which are probably Muslim and/or left-wing.
And it needs to be physical evidence that couldn't be trumped up by the prosecution/government. I see the potential for the authorities identifying the weakest link in those arrested and turning that person to produce all kinds of damning details not supported by anything else. Plus the government clearly has an inside informant. What if this person actually produced all the 'plots' that were supposedly ginned up? How would the people who are arrested ever go about fighting that?
Spot on, and I hope that some of the more vocal second amendment rights folks would stop pouring out their moral outrage with their guns drawn (verbally or otherwise).
I hope that everyone sees how this plays into their game. They make us as crazy as loons listening to the lies, and yet, that is what they are just waiting for.
JQP, that used to be a reasonable expectation. Problem is now, no one can any longer expect to be presented with anything other than what is dictated. Unless someone is present in the courtroom throughout the trial, no one can expect to know what transpires. "Evidence" can be presented, but why should anyone any longer assume that it is not false evidence?
Regrettably things have devolved to the point where trust now has to be given very sparingly. This is a stark change from even 3 or 4 decades ago. Sure, there was propaganda, lying, and deception throughout history, but in the past, at least in this country, it was certainly far less prevalent than today. I know that this is very disturbing to many (myself included), and it is often hard for people to open their eyes and ears to what is happening. However, I think our only hope of surviving this onslaught and regaining control of our country and restoring the freedom and liberties that our Constitution provides to us, is for everyone to accept the fact that nothing presented by the MSM and government should ever be taken at face value, not without a huge grain of salt.
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