Posted on 03/23/2010 10:12:27 PM PDT by Lmo56
Does anyone think it is time to restore some sense of order to the United States ??? I do.
The two-party system has fostered a climate where legislators have become beholden to their party at the expense of those that they represent - their constituents.
The Constitution is a GREAT document, but it is not perfect. And there are some housekeeping chores that are needed to clean-up some deficiencies in the document. After all, it was written over 200 years ago - and the Founding Fathers could never have imagined the mess we are in now.
However, they did leave us with one thing - the Constitutional Convention. It rips the Constitution out of the hands of Congress and places with the States.
See this link:
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200901133312/editorial/virginia-moving-to-a-new-constitutional-convention.html
I did not post it as the title of this thread, as the author is absolutely AGAINST the Constitutional Convention. He does, however, provide information on its current status.
As of this time, there are 22 states that have called for it, 18 that have never voted for it, and 10 who voted - but later rescinded it.
It only takes 34 states to FORCE Congress to call one. Of the 10 states that rescinded, I think that all 10 would be inclined to re-instate [if only to repeal the healthcare law].
That leaves 2 states of the 18 that have never voted for it to be turned. Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia look like candidates to me.
What do you all think ???
You are correct. NO Con-con. The whole Constitution would be up for grabs. With the people in Washington in our times? We would end up with something worse than the Chinese CCCP!
Not a good idea.
The assumption that reasonable, patriotic people would prevail is heartwarming but wrong.
In a time when there are enough outright fools, commies, black power creeps, traitors, self loathers, anti-semites and muslim lovers to put an undocumented, half-black, treasonous socialist in the White and give the loony democrats majorities in both houses of congress it would be pure madness to allow any alteration of the Constitution.
It would end up reading like a 2,000 page, grade school treatise on political correctness, diversity, global warming, our responsibilities to the third world, the “rights” of every minority and sexual deviant in the world and all the “bad” things America has done and must now atone for.
Good points. I am not sure what we need to do at this point, but it is not working out. We are 2 TOTALLY different Americas (us and them) and we need to face the truth: we cannot continue on this path for too long or this country will implode. Short of some kind of separation or re-division I am not sure how to solve this.
Is that the largest font possible in an FR post?
We ain’t talking about revising the bible (even the King James Version). We are talking about getting the liberals who have court-twisted the Constitution out of our faces again.
No:
(1) It can be limited in scope
(2) 3/4 of states have to sign off. Liberal will NOT fly. Too many scantily populated conservative states in the union.
What does this even mean?
Follow the process, bub... the link is above.
How disingenuous of you. Follow the control flow of the process. Just like you would when writing software or debugging it.
I wonder why it could not be limited to say removing the 17th amendment, to reduce party politics in the senate and give the states greater voice in the Federal Government. And, also limiting the scope of the Commence Clause to the actual transfer of goods and dealing with multi-state corporations. After all the 21th Amendment was approved by convention called for that specific purpose.
You're damn right.
It amazes me to see how fast some here want to throw out what what many men have given their lives for because it feels like the right thing to do at the moment. How dare you suggest their sacrifices were in vein.
Our Constitution is a God given instrument and it is worth fighting for, it's not to be trashed because we suffered a lost battle....we still have a war to fight.
This would be like being able to wipe out Russia’s nukes with one button push and no fallout and no retaliatory strike.
My main point is that EVERYTHING should be on the table. Limiting speech, which I objected to along with the discourse, should not be tolerated. Las Vegas Ron is like a protestor outside of Ann Coulter’s speech. Let’s shout out a few ugly words and shut a reasonable point down.
BTW, slinging code right now (C#). Get something working, check FR. My life for a long time ;-]
Amen FRiend....sometimes I cannot believe what I read here.....just shaking my head.
Your defense of our Constitution is right on the money. If adhered to it is perfect.
A constitutional convention would be a disaster right now.
We would be going from a near perfect document to socialism in one blow.
America is way too uneducated about it’s history to understand what is at stake.
The only silver lining in all of this crap is that people are now being forced to wake up to witness their freedom being stolen from them.
When we figure out how to destroy the commie libs in the media, and defeat the baby killers in congress, and clean up our courts, maybe then we should consider repealing and/or adding an ammendment or two.... but NOT a convention. Puts the original constitution at too much risk.
A Very Bad Idea
By coincidence I am also working on a C# project while surfing through FR. Us programmers never take a break, do we?
Who said anything about throwing the Constitution out!?!? It is a matter of being able to debate an issue.
You slurred someone unnecessarily. If you want to disagree, do so with some level of honor and reasonable discourse.
I read the Constitution to my kids. I actually read the Federalist Papers. Your issue is not passion about a great document but throwing around invectives with no basis.
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