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A submarine nuclear reactor in your backyard?
Today Online ^ | 3/20/2010 | Today Online

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:57:56 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

(picture) - at the time, the world's fastest - the subs were the bane of American sailors. Now, the reactors that powered those submarines are being marketed as the next innovation in green power.

Environmentalists say the technology is outdated and potentially dangerous, and marketing it as green energy is an abuse of nuclear power's good green name.

The Russians are not alone in pushing the idea that the next generation of nuclear reactors should have more in common with the small power plants on submarines than the sprawling installations of today.

But the kinds of marine reactors the Russians are promoting also create a by-product - used fuel - that no one knows how to handle. Right now, that spent fuel is being stored at naval yards in the Russian Arctic. No engineering solution has yet been devised to decontaminate the fuel.

In fact, the technology caused a number of mechanical accidents when it was used in Soviet submarines from the 1970s until the early 1990s.

Mr Kirill Danilenko, the director of Russian company Akme Engineering, said the technology could be made safe, with no greater risk of meltdown than that at a larger nuclear plant. His vision is that small reactors will become so common that utilities firms can connect them and "build power plants like Lego sets".

This is still years from being realised. The first Russian design, a pontoon-mounted reactor intended to be floated into harbours in energy-hungry developing countries, is already being built.

The plans are going ahead in Russia and elsewhere in the face of criticism that a diffuse nuclear infrastructure - the idea that many mid-sized cities, for example, could have their own small reactor - is inherently risky.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greenpower; nimby; nuclearpower; nuclearreactor; powerplants; powerstation; submarine
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1 posted on 03/20/2010 7:57:56 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

“But the kinds of marine reactors the Russians are promoting also create a by-product - used fuel - that no one knows how to handle. Right now, that spent fuel is being stored at naval yards in the Russian Arctic. No engineering solution has yet been devised to decontaminate the fuel. “

BS, we already know what to do with but the Democrats won’t let us. Carter’s ‘no reprocessing’ EO which became a congress-passed law is why we have so much nuclear waste.

Nuclear fuel can be reprocessed and reused over and over until about only 1% of the original mass is left.


2 posted on 03/20/2010 8:02:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I agree


3 posted on 03/20/2010 8:04:18 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Russian nuclear reactors in my back yard? Oh, hell no.


4 posted on 03/20/2010 8:05:04 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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BS, we already know what to do with but the Democrats won’t let us. Carter’s ‘no reprocessing’ EO which became a congress-passed law is why we have so much nuclear waste.

Bingo! The FRENCH solved this one long ago. God bless the French!

5 posted on 03/20/2010 8:05:28 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Spktyr
BS, we already know what to do with but the Democrats won’t let us. Carter’s ‘no reprocessing’ EO which became a congress-passed law is why we have so much nuclear waste.

Completely correct!

6 posted on 03/20/2010 8:07:25 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: sonofstrangelove

There are reactors that are clean and also can handle nuclear waste.


7 posted on 03/20/2010 8:09:09 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: OCCASparky
Oh, hell no.

Ooops? What do you mean "Ooops!"? There's no "Ooops" in nuclear fission...

8 posted on 03/20/2010 8:13:10 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

At least some of those Soviet reactors used liquid sodium as the primary coolant.


9 posted on 03/20/2010 8:13:26 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Using these kinds of reactors is actually pretty dumb. They're designed to create steam to turn turbines, which in turn are designed to provide propulsive power to the shafts/screws.

If the USN had used the USS Lipscomb style plant for the 688s, it might be a different story. The Lipscomb was a one-off sub between the Sturgeons and the 688s that had a turbo-electric plant. Reactor provided steam to turbines that were designed to generate electricity, the electricity being used to power electric motors that drove the shafts/props. Similar in concept (much more advanced, obviously) to the plants on the USS Lexington and Saratoga (CVs 2 and 3) which were used to power the city of Tacoma in the late 1920s and early 30s (clocks allegedly ran fast when the Lex was plugged into their power grid).
10 posted on 03/20/2010 8:14:58 PM PDT by tanknetter
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I don’t know who makes those reactors, but they should have been promoting the safe power on subs and aircraft carriers years ago. I’ve been suggesting it since 2002.


11 posted on 03/20/2010 8:23:13 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: sionnsar

WE solved it - that ‘French’ tech was bought from Westinghouse in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

But then Cahtah wanted to ‘send a message’.... which nobody listened to.


12 posted on 03/20/2010 8:24:55 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I think I’d feel safer with the nuke plant from a US sub, rather than a Russki one.;o)


13 posted on 03/20/2010 8:30:46 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

I agree.


14 posted on 03/20/2010 8:31:38 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: q_an_a

The nuclear industry has been pointing this out for decades, but nobody’s been listening because was drowned out by the hysterical screams of the irrational nuke haters.

Some of which are now coming to regret their former positions.


15 posted on 03/20/2010 8:42:48 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I’d be OK with a US Navy sub/ship reactor in my backyard, but I wouldn’t want a Russian one in the farthest corner of my state, and I live in he second largest state, after Alaska.


16 posted on 03/20/2010 10:15:28 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Do an online search for “thorium energy”. THAT’S what we need.


17 posted on 03/20/2010 10:17:09 PM PDT by Ackackadack
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To: Spktyr

While you and I “know” they have said this -they don’t run advertising which is how the majority of Americans get their Points of View. They don’t push the story in newspapers or send out mailings that may get attention. Heck they could spend 5 million a year in ads, mail and pr to get 100s of millions in sales - they dropped the ball.


18 posted on 03/21/2010 6:26:41 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Spktyr

Carter was a Navy reactor officer and so familiar with the technology & physics behind fission reactors — intimate with it. Why do you suppose he chose to scr3w the entire industry like that?


19 posted on 03/21/2010 8:34:55 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy

Because he was a Democrat and thought that messages and gestures for ‘world peace’ were more important than preservation of America.


20 posted on 03/21/2010 9:52:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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