Posted on 03/12/2010 8:40:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
As House Democratic leaders advised their members Friday to prepare for a legislative battle over health care that could stretch through next weekend, four additional rank-and-file Democrats have come out against the Obama administration's signature domestic priority.
Reps. Ben Chandler of Kentucky, Luiz Gutierrez of Illinois, Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin of South Dakota and Heath Shuler of North Carolina say they will vote against their party's health care plan, which may be headed to a final vote late next week.
"At this time, I am a 'no' vote on health care," said Gutierrez in a written statement. "It's no secret that I have been critical of proposals that would exclude our nation's hardworking immigrants from the health care exchange, and I would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to vote for any measure that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."
According to an ongoing CNN survey, 21 House Democrats have now indicated they will vote against the Senate bill when it comes to the floor, though six of those members say they would consider voting for it if it were significantly modified. Opponents of the bill need a total of 38 Democrats to vote against the measure to ensure its defeat, assuming that all Republican members remain unified in their opposition.
Some members made clear that their votes are not negotiable. Josh Taylor, a spokesman for Texas Rep. Chet Edwards, told CNN the congressman "voted 'no' on health care the first time around and will vote 'no' the second."
Proponents of the health care plan need 216 votes in order to pass the Senate plan. As of Friday, no Republicans said they would vote in favor of the bill, which would mean Democratic leaders must rely solely on votes from its own members.(continued)
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Um....that would sure hurt, but a sharp stake would be far more effective. Just sayin'....
“Thats why its so amusing to see headlines for the past 3 months of Pelosi saying she has the votes yet no vote is ever taken. Its reported by one media outlet or another on a daily basis.”
What the Left is doing, what they ALWAYS do when they want to get something UNPOPULAR done, is straight out of Alinsky’s ‘Rules for Radicals.’ They’re in the #7-8-9 zone right now, IMHO.
The reason Hillary! didn’t get this done is that she strayed from the script!
“7. Tactics
“Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. ... Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves.” p.126
Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time....”
8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”
11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’...
“...any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When you ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...’
“One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.” (pps.127-134)”
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
Wow. All I can say in response to your ‘reply’ above is.....damned hard to argue with a single word you said.
BTTT
Yeah. I don’t like being so much ‘in your face’, but I’m getting mightily p***ed off.
Or maybe I need to take up smoking again.
Forget Gutierrez. He just wants special treatment for his primary constituency, the illegals.
This is the week to question who the Heck OBOZO HUSSEIN really is? Is he in fact the Phantom who has successfully hidden a sordid past until now? We knoq nothingabout him, except we have learned that the Doctors have told him he is consuming excessive amounts of Alchohol, which isn’t good for someone who might get the Red Phone call late at night while he is drunk and stoned as a skunk! Is OBOZO really the Closet Muslim who has non-Christian plans for AMERICA like he did in KENYA where Christians were burned alive and their churchs leveled when his cousin “ODINGA” lost the Election? OBOZO never said a word about thos e Atrocities!!!!!
No, he won't put it like that. He'll say:
"I deem that the House and Senate have passed my healthcare bill, therefore . . . . "
(Emphasis added by poster.)
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” -JFK
"We don't know exactly what to whip," the South Carolina Democrat said. "And that's why we are waiting on these fixers to take place, and the moment we get the fixers done, post them for the American people, I will look in on it and the same way the American people will, and then I will know what to go to my caucus with."
They are waiting for "fixers"? Seems more like they're waiting for the right number of dominoes to fall. Sir, I believe you are lying. From another article:
The health care bill appeared on the cusp of passage in early January, but was derailed when Senate Republicans gained the strength needed to sustain a filibuster and prevent final approval. In the weeks since, leaders have come up with a two-part rescue strategy. It calls for the House to pass legislation that cleared the Senate in December, despite numerous objections, and for both houses to follow immediately with a second bill that makes changes to the first.
The second, fix-it bill would be drafted under rules that prevent Republicans from demanding Democrats produce a 60-vote super-majority, a threshold now beyond their reach.
House Democrats continued private meetings Friday to review elements of the still-emerging fix-it bill, but few details were immediately available
Pelosi is waving "fixes" in front of the Democrats when she has no need for them once the vote is taken on the senate bill. And Obama is staying in town to sign the senate bill once the vote it taken. Do I have this right?
Bump this thread and send the email. It is free unlike some other sites I've been to that were offering to do the same thing.
"NO" needs to go to 216. |
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office
And the very well-organized Susan B. Anthony List is running radio ads in Nine (9) Key Congressional Districts represented by Pro-Life Democrats. They are strongly urging those Congressmen to STAND FIRM and vote NO on DeathCare.
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AP is a partisan in this issue (killing babies). They are going to tell us that it’s all over so we stop working to defeat them.
Flatly un-American...yes, I said it. J accuse! She won't vote for a federal health care program because it doesn't provide health benefits to foreign nationals...who are in the U.S. illegally. She's supposed to represent American citizens not the interests of foreign nationals.
Got to hand it to the Dems...even with a supermajority they're finding it nearly impossible thanks in part to their workers-of-the-world-unite commie bullsh*t.
Didn’t Heath Shuler vote yes the first time?
Amendments aren’t allowed in the process selected, so while someone gets to posture politically, it won’t be part of the bill.
He is going for broke. With this Obamacare, and ramming it down the People's throats, despite massive opposition. This is it, BIG TIME.
He knows that if he loses this, he is essentially a LAME DUCK for three of his four year term, and that his progressive, incrementalist approach to Communize the country has fallen flat on its face.
Which leaves him with some chilling options, the disgraced narcissist will have had lost massive face. More than likely this will preciptate a chain reaction of events causing the classic Liberal Know-it-All, Better-than-Thou Personality to erupt in an irrational tirade. And revenge. And dark, evil plotting with a vengeance. But here is is the EWS: Observe closely what low-level White House staff and interns wil start to do. First as trickle and then as a stream? This will be most instructive. There will be an ternal buzz and a rumor that the old man has lost it--but the White House press corps will sit on it. Freepers in the know will need to hang out in the usual Georgetown and Capitol Hill and K Street and Conecticut Avenue haunts and keep their ears to the ground. These people will start to quietly resign, circulate their resumes in D.C., or slowly go back to political science classes at Liberal Arts universities outside of the beltway. Dejected, and going on instinct, they won't want the name "Obama" anywhere on their CVs as much as they can help it. And this will be the first canaries in the cave for us.
And that may be, among other options, for Obama to "lose it" in a rage and call out the tanks into the streets. You can already see and sense the anger daily building in this man's face and tone of voice.
Obama is not an American. I don't mean that necessarily with respect to the Kenyan Birth issue, although that looms, but what I am saying is what the Japanese would say in observing such a powderkeg of a situation, 文字通り this man is not an American. It is not his background, his upbringing, his demeanor, his heart, his friends and mentors and inner circule, his childhood, his value systems. He is so out of touch with mainstreet America and is trying to force something very elitist and very foreign on the average American Jane and Joe. And they are not putting up with it anymore.
So he calls out the tanks in anger since the peons did not accept his benevolent sacrifice to become president and "rescue" America and Americans from themselves. Stupid Americans (is what he truly thinks.).
And this individual. This phony. This imposter. This dangerous and most nasty man, is in for one big surprise when he sees thousands upon thousands of Tea Party-type Americans on the tops of those tanks, said tanks flying the Gadsden Flag, the turrets turning in curious directions, the tanks and APCs themselves moving in most intriguing directions. It can't happen HERE??!! Bovine Feces!! We live in interesting times. Hold on to your hats folks. The Giant is about to get kicked in the shins, but he is still going to maintain a lot of power with which he can try to make people suffer as payback for ever crossing "The One."
I hope more will see the light and vote NO, but I am not too confident, just hoping.
The Hill website is reporting 34 RATS are firm NO, likely NO or leaning NO
178 GOP + 34 RATS means we have 212 NO
We need 216 to defeat
Keep up the pressure.
Notwithstanding the MSM lies, I believe our vote count is better than Pelosi’s.
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