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Why Palin shouldn't run in 2012 ** John Ziegler (The math behind a Palin Victory!)
Daily Caller ^ | 3-10-10 | John Ziegler

Posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by Joy Angela

Why Palin shouldn’t run in 2012

By John Ziegler   03/10/10 at 12:00 AM

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Last week I made a rare appearance on MSNBC (a network on which I have had numerous “YouTube moments” since the 2008 election, when they became the “Obama Network”) and shared some statements which apparently shocked some of my fellow conservatives.

Since even before the release of my documentary about the media coverage of Obama’s election, I have been described by many commentators (both as a compliment and as a condemnation) as Sarah Palin’s most ardent defender against the never-ending stream of unfair media attacks against her. What seemed to surprise people on both ends of the political spectrum was my assertion on “Morning Joe” that, based on her current path, and barring a literal act of God, there is absolutely no chance that Palin can beat Obama in 2012.

Since the television appearance was barely five minutes long and my view of this important subject is far more nuanced than can possibly be articulated in the microwave world of cable TV “news” (or even a later radio interview I did with host Joe Scarborough about this subject), I wish to fully explain my thinking so that any confusion about where I stand may be as limited as possible.

First, the reason I went on MSNBC is that Joe Scarborough and I have had a running (and sometimes rather pointed) e-mail exchange about his coverage of Sarah Palin which was escalated when his show did a seemingly endless segment on how intellectually deficient she supposedly is. Joe has offered me an open invitation to “debate” that and other issues related to Palin when I am next in New York where his show is broadcast. Since Palin was on the “Tonight Show” last week and because I live in Burbank, we decided the occasion might make for a good opportunity to do a quick “preview” of coming attractions. I also made it clear to him that there was something about Palin that I have wanted to get off my chest for several weeks. This was the issue of what her intent and potential is for the 2012 presidential race.

When I first met Palin at her home in early 2009, after our interview for my documentary we had a rather lengthy conversation, which of course eventually turned to her political future. Unsolicited, I offered my very strong opinion that, thanks to the media’s worship of Obama and their unfair destruction of her, that I thought it would be foolhardy for her to even consider running against him in 2012. My advice at the time was for her to run for Senate in 2014 and run in 2016 for President when presumably there will be no incumbent running and when the narrative about her (thanks to the media’s love of a good “comeback”) would likely be vastly more positive than in 2012. Palin was clearly listening intently but said almost nothing in response. Those who witnessed the conversation said she did not seem to like what she was hearing.

However, after the remarkable success of her book and the incredible decline in Obama’s political popularity, I started to think that, with any luck, Palin could win the Republican nomination and that she would at least have a shot against The One, assuming the economy didn’t significantly improve. But now I am thoroughly convinced that while Obama is somewhat vulnerable (if the economy improves, he wins big, if it stays the same, he wins very small, if it gets worse, he loses big), Sarah Palin has less of a chance to beat him than just about anyone else who is currently considered in contention.

The reasons I have come to this painful conclusion are numerous.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; johnziegler; moresarahfun; palin; palin2012; palinmccain2012; rinolovfest; sarahpalin; tonightshow; ziegler; ziegler4romney
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To: glorgau
He can’t run for another term because of the new birth certificate requirements passed by numerous state legislatures.

Is this true? Which states? I hope there was no promise of confidentiality. There is a good chance Obama was born in Hawaii, but that something ELSE on his BC would embarrass him. The American people have a right to see this document as we saw John McCain's.

Also, hopefully there is a clause a presidential hopeful would need to sign that he had never traveled under any other Passport or shown any loyalties AS AN ADULT (over 18) to another country. That's where Obama's problems lie. He may have traveled under his Indonesian passport at 19, as well as applied for college or grants as a foreigner. Any of these are unacceptable for our President.

121 posted on 03/11/2010 4:13:38 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: editor-surveyor
Wow, I thought that you were smarter than that!

Nah, had my automatic kneejerk gland removed years ago.

It wasn't all that painful, try it sometime.
122 posted on 03/11/2010 4:13:48 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: Star Traveler

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wtc911 is a waste of bandwidth at best.
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123 posted on 03/11/2010 4:13:58 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: mkjessup; Joy Angela
This is a very well thought out article, written by someone who is in fact a Palin supporter, has had personal conversations and communications with her, and is certainly in a position to understand the dynamics of a political race.

Agreed. Ziegler can be nutty and out there with his confrontational stunts, but he surprised me with this article.

124 posted on 03/11/2010 4:14:17 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: editor-surveyor

but fun... LOL ...


125 posted on 03/11/2010 4:15:07 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: mkjessup

Apparently you had your eyes out too?

There were no facts, and lots of sour grapes tears in the article. He wanted the job badly, and hell hath no fury like a Ziegler scorned.


126 posted on 03/11/2010 4:16:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Joy Angela
What we have to avoid is a repeat of 94/96.

The GOP takeover gave Clinton a foil to work against and position himself. Also, the GOP gave us Bob Dole because it was his turn already.

A 2010 sweep could position 0 for a comeback. "Could".
This must be prevented.

127 posted on 03/11/2010 4:17:14 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Star Traveler

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About as much fun as two gouty toes on a winter day!
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128 posted on 03/11/2010 4:19:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: dirtboy
The real battle for Palin is to win over independents, and contrary of the author's assertions, both the Tea Party and Fox News are good platforms for doing just that.

Just found out she finished taping her inaugural episode of "Real American Stories" for Fox today.

129 posted on 03/11/2010 4:20:42 PM PST by Al B.
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To: EveningStar; rabscuttle385; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3
The fact is, I like Sarah Palin and I agree with many of her positions, but if anything dooms her political future, it isn't going to be ANYTHING she does or doesn't do, it isn't going to be anything the media or the 'Rats do, it will be the insane screaming chorus of the most extreme Palin fans, who abandon all logic when it comes to any rational discussion of their heroine and her possible political future. They will be the ones who end up portraying Sarah as some sort of leader of wackos (i.e., them!).

This week alone we have seen Sarah Palin compared to (again) Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and even General George S Patton, I kid you not. I believe that Sarah herself would tell such fanatical supporters to calm themselves down, emphasize that she is NOT any of those above mentioned historical figures, and to let her be her own person and stake out her own ideological territory.
130 posted on 03/11/2010 4:25:34 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: editor-surveyor
Apparently you had your eyes out too?
There were no facts, and lots of sour grapes tears in the article. He wanted the job badly, and hell hath no fury like a Ziegler scorned.


Unless you personally are aware of such motivations for the writing of this article, you need to stop talking out of your ass. Refute the arguments made by Ziegler instead of employing that Alinsky-style tactic of attacking the messenger instead of the message.

That's what liberals do.
131 posted on 03/11/2010 4:27:52 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

He sounded like a boob before, and even more so now. Palin is smart to avoid this feller.


132 posted on 03/11/2010 4:29:00 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant; Joy Angela; DoughtyOne

Politics these days are really cute.

During the week ending March 6, there were 462,000 new claims for unemployment benefits. The week before that, there were 468,000. ...nearly half a million a week again.

Everyone’s being paid mostly with foreign debt. As the likelihood of defaults become unavoidably apparent, bonds will collapse (hence, revenues, retirements). Interest rates will skyrocket. Stocks will fall. Unemployment will accelerate more. There will be trade wars.

High intensity world war will be more likely than ever in the near future. The special interests in control of our political process will fall from their perches before long.

Most people now hate politics—everything that they see and hear about politics. Most of the rest (overpaid, government related employees: Republicans and Democrats) will have the same perspective soon enough.

There will be men in leadership. Spend, cheerleaders, spend! Excuse the rest of us, while we snap our pocketbooks shut and become more independent. Enjoy the ride. We will have very small government sometime during the years to come—after the big default.

You’ll get to find out who “John Galt” really is. He was someone more hated by Rand and more hated by contemporary political interests than any other kind of person. He’s the conservative, working class, technically inclined, American man of ingenuity: toughest creature on the planet.


133 posted on 03/11/2010 4:29:13 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Al B.

Now that is going to be very interesting to see.


134 posted on 03/11/2010 4:32:39 PM PST by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: mkjessup

“The fact is, I like Sarah Palin and I agree with many of her positions”

I agree with most of her positions. When she failed to stand up to McCain, she lost all credibility with me.


135 posted on 03/11/2010 4:33:09 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: editor-surveyor

Can you believe Ziegler? What is it he’s trying to gain with this article? He’s a kook. So...she can’t win according to him? Yawn....next.

Palin 2012.


136 posted on 03/11/2010 4:36:01 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: mkjessup

What facts? - That’s the point; there were none.

He did turn some real facts on their head, but we’ve already hit those.


137 posted on 03/11/2010 4:37:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

You nailed it. Somewhat vunerable??? How about disasterous presidency?


138 posted on 03/11/2010 4:37:47 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: Joy Angela

First, John, it ain’t ‘09 anymore. Most specifically, President Obama ain’t the great and powerful Oz anymore.

Second, if you think the media creatures who’ve been spending the last year and a half trying to bury Governor Palin are either going to (a) stop trying between now and 2012, let alone later, or (b) turn around and embrace her if she runs on your suggested timetable because “they love a good comeback”...wow. Just wow. I’m sorry, but that’s weapons-grade stupid.


139 posted on 03/11/2010 4:38:49 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"When she failed to stand up to McCain, she lost all credibility with me."

Did you listen to Rush's analysis of it?

140 posted on 03/11/2010 4:39:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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