Senate Plan Calls for National ID Card to Curb Illegal Immigration

Newsmax ^ | March 11, 2010 | Dave Eberhart

[Irisshlass]

A national ID card using biometric data such as fingerprints is at the center of an immigration reform bill being hammered out in the U.S. Senate – a measure that once again probably will pit advocates of homeland security and tough immigration enforcement against civil libertarians, employers and immigrant rights groups.

The new effort by Sens. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and Lindsey Graham, R- S.C., will revive the “Real ID” debate that has festered for years with little effect on illegal immigration. Under their plan, a universally required card would be encoded with all sorts of information regarding the holder, as well as contain a unique biometric signature created from either fingerprints or the vein patterns on the tops of the hands.

Bottom line: Employers will not be able to hire applicants who do not present a valid ID.

Schumer and Graham are slated to meet soon with President Barack Obama to brief him on their work. An administration official said the White House has no position on the biometric card, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.

[mentor2k]

Hold it!!!! Lindsey Graham on Fox & Friends this morning said,

'if anyone thinks these cards are going to be used to track people with GPS, they're just CRAZY!'

[andy58-in-nh]

You put salt on your eggs this morning, didn't you, Citizen?

Yes. One of our Dietary Enforcement Administration cameras observed you pulling the hidden packet out of your shirt pocket, so please don't bother to deny it. As you well know, salt shakers were banned from public food service establishments back in 2012, and smuggling of such illegal food additives is Dietcrime.

Because each two-point increase in blood serum sodium level results in additional cost to the National Health System, it is deemed detrimental to the national interest and must be either paid in fines deducted from your National Debit Account or worked off in a Federal Exercise and Wellness Center under strict monitoring conditions.

And that is not all, Citizen. An audit of your last refuse collection revealed a bottle of a carbonated beverage containing sugar, which is a direct violation of the Omnibus Federal Beverage Control Act of 2014 as well as EPA recycling mandates. Stay where you are; an agent will attend to you shortly. Please have your ID card ready to present to him at that time. Do not attempt to contact anyone before then as your cellphone 555.345.6353/IP 201.24.34.255 has already been deactivated. But you already knew that, didn't you?

[La Lydia]

All over the Internet, or an email? Please provide a citation, from the bill, showing it is there. (I will post the actual language separately) From Politfact and from Snopes, both of which say it isn't:

Page 58: "Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard."

Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. It says one goal should be real-time confirmation of which services a person qualifies for and how much they will have to pay. That could be achieved by machine-readable beneficiary cards, according to the legislative language. But the legislation does not require the cards.

"It may be the longest chain e-mail we've ever received. A page-by-page analysis of the House health care bill argues that reform will end the health care system as we know it..Most of what the e-mail says is wrong. In fact, it's a clearinghouse of bad information circulating around the Web about proposed health care changes, so we thought it would be helpful to address a bunch of its claims. To check this e-mail, we read the health care bill ourselves. Yes, it's over 1,000 pages long, but that's not as long as you might think: The document has large margins, so the text only takes up about one third of each page.

"Finally, we consulted with Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform. Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site. "We're hardened, battle-scarred fact-checkers, so false claims in e-mails don't really surprise us anymore. But we sent Tolbert a copy of the latest from our in-box, and she was none too pleased. "It's awful," she said. "It's flat-out, blatant lies. It's unbelievable to me how they can claim to reference the legislation and then make claims that are blatantly false."

The health care bill being prepared for us by our Congressional overlords is truly awful. But the National ID proposal is Schumer's, and is supposed to turn up in his immigration reform bill, yet to be unveiled. It is always helpful to get your facts straight: trust but verify. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

[La Lydia]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111P7GCN1:e72909: Actual Language of the Bill:

SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION.

(a) Standardizing Electronic Administrative Transactions- (1) IN GENERAL- Part C of title XI of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1320d et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 1173 the following new section: `SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS.

`(a) Standards for Financial and Administrative Transactions- `(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall adopt and regularly update standards consistent with the goals described in paragraph (2). `(2) GOALS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS- The goals for standards under paragraph (1) are that such standards shall--

`(A) be unique with no conflicting or redundant standards;

`(B) be authoritative, permitting no additions or constraints for electronic transactions, including companion guides;

`(C) be comprehensive, efficient and robust, requiring minimal augmentation by paper transactions or clarification by further communications;

`(D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;

`(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims;

`(F) provide for timely acknowledgment, response, and status reporting

applicable to any electronic transaction deemed appropriate by the Secretary;

`(G) describe all data elements (such as reason and remark codes) in unambiguous terms, not permit optional fields, require that data elements be either required or conditioned upon set values in other fields, and prohibit additional conditions; and

`(H) harmonize all common data elements across administrative and clinical transaction standards.

`(3) TIME FOR ADOPTION- Not later than 2 years after the date of implementation of the X12 Version 5010 transaction standards implemented under this part, the Secretary shall adopt standards under this section.

`(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC STANDARDS- The standards under this section shall be developed, adopted and enforced so as to--

`(A) clarify, refine, complete, and expand, as needed, the standards required under section 1173;....

[FrankR]

"I HAVE a national ID card already....it’s called a Social Security Card. "

So do I. Got it in 1961. Clearly printed across the bottom of my card is:

"NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES"

I'm 64-years old, and have been asked many times for my SS number, however only once by the agency that it was created for, and issued by...the Social Security Administration.

All the other times, it was for Identification.

[La Lydia]

Exactly.

[KarlInOhio]

NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION And yet that is EXACTLY what it is used for. I hate being a cynic but how can you not be in this perfidious country?

I don't think the "Not for identification" is on the card anymore.

[MrB]

Definitely, this is NOT about “curbing illegal immigration” -

it’s about fascist control of people.

[Irisshlass]

No email...and snopes is not a crediable site.

[azishot]

You put salt on your eggs this morning, didn't you, Citizen?

You bet I did, Nanny State and A Lot of salt!! Come and get me if you can find me. Oh, that's right...you're tracking my every move with that ID card.

Funny that you should mention salt. Just read a thread here about how some New York congressman wants salt to be BANNED in ALL restaurant cooking!!

It never ends with these goons.

[La Lydia]

If you don’t believe Snopes, or Politifact, I posted the actual language below. You can read it for yourself. And the word is “credible.” Here is a link to the Wall Street Journal article about the Schumer proposal. I think if the ID provision were really in the health care reform bill, the Wall Street Journal would have reported it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html

[PreciousLiberty]

“These two sweethearts are not against illegal immigrants.”

Well...yes and no. The real plan is to legalize all the illegals, with this card system as the sop thrown to those against illegal immigration.

So, the Dems get around 20 million new likely voters THEN we start enforcing the law. Great idea, eh? :P

[andy58-in-nh]

I saw the articles about a proposed salt ban in NYC as well as Herr Bloomberg's proposed soda tax, and they inspired me.

[Ann Archy]

Lindsay Graham is the LARRY KLAYMAN of the Senate!!!! He is a BAD JOKE and a HORRIBLE DEALMAKER, as Laura Ingraham says!!!

[Ann Archy]

You don’t NEED to track someone with a GPS to know what they are doing.

[Kimberly GG]

Frankly, I don’t think the card has much to do with illegal aliens at all because pretty quick here they are going to be given amnesty and won’t be ‘illegal’ anymore.

I think it has everything to do with control. What the government giveth, the government can taketh away....I thought they could really dictate all aspects of our lives with Obamacare, but with this card, if they take it from you, for ANY slimy reason they deem legit, you can’t work.

[Sacajaweau]

Thanks for posting that

[verity]

Now you can't do a thing without it.

I never have had to use my card.

[Kimberly GG]

“Only Republicans who can pass a Tea Party litmus test are the guarantee that amnesty and open borders won’t happen. “

Who will impose the litmus test and name the criteria? Are you aware that some of the biggest Tea Party proponents, i.e, Dick Armey and FreedomWorks, as well as favored front runners, i.e., Palin, are FOR the same “path to citizenship” amnesty as McCain and Bush?

[Irisshlass]

Altanta examiner reports the same as you...Republicans spread more myths about health care reform bill page 58 with an alleged national ID card. http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m8d6-Republicans-spread-more-myths-about-page-58-in-health-care-reform-bill-with-a-National-ID-card.