The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues

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[RummyChick]

You think polygamy would make it valid???

STILL NOT VALID.

Again, lying to a court DOES NOT MAKE IT VALID FOR IMMIGRATION PURPOSES.

but hey...continue to ignore the law

oh, and you might want to look at what Obama would have had to have done if the marriage was valid and he was born on US soil...to gain UK citizenship...

[rxsid]

Was polygamy illegal in 1961 HI? Source?

SADO was aware Sr. was allegedly still married in Kenya? Proof?

It was lying to a court because you say so?

The court record, from the state of HI, states that "Stanley Ann D. Obama and Barack H. Obama "were lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage cerimonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife."

Now, in order to invalidate THAT court decision, you must prove in a court of law that it was NOT a legal marriage.

As I stated before...let's get some discovery!

[RummyChick]

I am not going down this road...you go find the statute that said it was legal...

I have done THOROUGH research on this...it wasn’t legal.

as I said...I am done jumping through hoops showing you people the law...go find it or believe what you want..

[rxsid]

"I am not going down this road...you go find the statute that said it was legal...

I have done THOROUGH research on this...it wasn’t legal.

as I said...I am done jumping through hoops showing you people the law...go find it or believe what you want.."

Sure.

Until court order discovery proves otherwise, I'll stick with the court ordered divorced of what the state of HI believed was a legal marriage in their state. Oh, and not to mention his campaign web site that admitted he was under the "jurisdiction" of the 1948 BNA.

Let there be discovery!

[RummyChick]

Yeah sure..and be sure to tell immigration in UK (and for that matter the US) that they must let in anyone who lies to get married under false pretenses and doesn’t tell the truth in divorce court...

sheesh...

[takenoprisoner]

I think you are correct. It was not a legal marriage contract under HI law.

See: HRS 572-1 section 3.

“The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living and that the woman does not at the time have any lawful husband living;”

Obama Sr already had a wife and children in Kenya which he may have kept secret at the time from Ann Dunham. Either way, the marriage was invalid under HI law.

The fact SHE made the claim in her divorce proceedings THEY were legally married, does not make it so. It could not have been a valid marriage under HI law, since he was already married.

[El Gato]

Btw, if you lie to a divorce court and don’t tell them that the marriage was void ab initio...it doesn’t suddenly make the marriage valid for immigration purposes.

Doesn't really matter. If BHO Sr is listed as the father on the birth certificate, then BHO Sr is legally the father, legally married to the mother or not. In fact the Hawaii long form birth certificate of the period doesn't even contain information on legimacy. It has the mother's maiden name, and the father's name, but nothing about if they were married or not. (Although the mother would likely sign her married name, if they were married, or she thought they were).

But this is not an immigration issue and it's not BHO Jr's derivative British and/or Kenyan citizenship that matters, it's the lack of citizenship of his legal birth father hat matters.

[little jeremiah]

I wish I knew - all I do know is that Wayne Madsen is a strange leftie sort. Or was the only time I happened upon his website. Doesn’t mean he’s always all wrong, though. Rummy Chick thinks he’s involved with CIA, maybe she might know more.

(I hope you and yours are all well and happy!!)

[Fred Nerks]

The state of HI believes it was a valid marriage:

Barry's Parents Divorce The 1964 divorce record from the Circuit Court of the First Judicial Circuit State of Hawaii, states that Stanley Ann D. Obama and Barack H. Obama "were lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage cerimonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife."

Inasmuch as I believe they should all be hung by their own lies, that statement is simply what someone included in an application for a divorce, supposedly lodged in Hawaii.

There's nothing we have seen that proves they were ever married...and come to think of it, there's nothing we have ever seen (other than one photo at an airport) that shows they were even ACQUAINTED!

[PhilDragoo]

There's nothing we have seen that proves they were ever married...and come to think of it,
there's nothing we have ever seen (other than one photo at an airport) that shows they were even ACQUAINTED!

[Fred Nerks]

Nobody, but nobody, can say it the way you do, PhilDragoo!

It would be funny, if it wasn’t so sickenly, terrifyingly true.

[timestax]

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[rxsid]

"There's nothing we have seen that proves they were ever married...and come to think of it, there's nothing we have ever seen (other than one photo at an airport) that shows they were even ACQUAINTED!"

Oh, I completely agree it's not 100% proof of anything. It is, though, "better" as far as documentation than personal opinions on the internet.

Just about the only thing that is 100% verifiable regarding Barry...is that he was born. Period.

[Fred Nerks]

...Oh, I completely agree it's not 100% proof of anything. It is, though, "better" as far as documentation than personal opinions on the internet.

PERSONAL OPINION, OR INTERPRETATION OF THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE?

[nickcarraway]

I don’t know any evidence that the Gestapo ever had such a successful agent. Maybe GRU.

[Seizethecarp]

Per the Madsen report:

"At the very least, Obama helped in providing economic intelligence to the CIA as a contract employee."

I do not find this report to be credible. With Obama's overtly communist and radical associates and drug background and drug using associates, he never would have survived screening for entry into the CIA as I experienced it.

I went through 100% of the CIA recruiting process including background investigation, but was up against the age limit of 35 when the first entry class I could go to at The Farm would be available and was not inducted. I subsequently went through a second background investigation and was granted a SECRET (base level) security clearance for an anti-dumping fair trade position.

Not only do they want your original birth certificate, but they want every address you have lived at and details about all of your relatives and associates and their loyalty to the USA (or not!).

It is made clear that you will be subjected to lie detector testing on all of your responses immediately after you are inducted and at random thereafter.

I just don't see Obama surviving that.

[Seizethecarp]

"There's nothing we have seen that proves they were ever married...and come to think of it, there's nothing we have ever seen (other than one photo at an airport) that shows they were even ACQUAINTED!"

Leo Donofrio has taken his site down, but from another site, here is the vital record index for the Dunham-Obama marriage that HI released. Amateur investigators had actually demanded all records for BHO II, but inadvertently got BHO Sr's vital record index for his marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham.

My understanding is that vital record indexes only exist for marriage events recorded, not for licenses issued. The actual details of the record, including the image, date and location of the marriage are still protected from release to the general public under privacy law for something like 75 years, if I remember correctly.

http://starmaker.today.com/2009/10/02/hawaiian-officials-playing-more-hide-and-seek-games-about-obamas-vital-records/

BIRTH INDEX

OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORINGCHILD

OBAMA II, BARACK HUSSEIN

GENDER

M

MARRIAGE INDEX

SORTED BY BRIDE

OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING

GROOM

OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN

BRIDE

DUNHAN, STANLEY ANN

[Seizethecarp]

"Oh, and not to mention his campaign web site that admitted he was under the "jurisdiction" of the 1948 BNA." The statement was that BHO Sr.'s _children_ were under the 1948 BNA, certainly implying that BHO II was under it. But if you actually read the 1948 BNA, it only applies to legitimate children, not to illegitimate children such as children of bigamous marriages.

Under the Kenya Marriage Act of 1902, which seems to have applied to colonial Kenya in 1956 or thereabouts when BHO Sr married Ketzia, polygamy was not allowed specifically including Muslims and tribally married persons.

[Seizethecarp]

"But this is not an immigration issue and it's not BHO Jr's derivative British and/or Kenyan citizenship that matters, it's the lack of citizenship of his legal birth father hat matters."

I believe that a SCOTUS ruling is needed on this matter and prior to that, reasonable people can differ as to what that ruling would be.

I believe the NBC clause was designed to prevent dual citizenship and if the Dunham-Obama marriage was bigamous, the 1948 BNA would _not_ pass UK citizenship to BHO II, thus no dual citizenship or claims of a foreign sovereign on Obama and perhaps no constitutional issue, provided he was born in HI.

[Fred Nerks]

And I recall that when that information was included by Okubo, everyone said, 'now why would she do that' - as it wasn't asked for.

I think I understand why, now.

THERE'S A BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ON THE MARRIAGE INDEX.

-that probably relates to when he married the young woman he brought to Hawaii with him. She's shown standing next to him on arrival, and because he has his arm around her and she around him, they loaded the image up with lei to cover their closeness:

You will notice that Stanley Armour Dunham is there to greet them.

The same young woman is shown sitting next to him in the group image below, identified as ANN:

And STANLEY ANN DUNHAM BRIDE is on the marriage index from when she married LOLO SOETORO.

Cunning move, Okubo.