How a Crude Forgery Was Passed Off as Authentic to get an Unknown Elected as President of The USA

The Post & Email ^ | January 27, 2010 | John Charlton

[Red Steel]

A Chronology of Forgery & Deceit

Most know that there are doubts about Obama’s Birth Certificate or eligibility to be President of the United States, but few are aware of how his supporters passed off an obvious forgery of a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth and used cleverly crafted quotes of apparent authorities to establish its authenticity for the purpose of committing election fraud upon the entire nation.

The notion that it is a forgery continues to be squashed by the Main Stream Media. Consider the transcript from Chris Matthews’s “Hardball” program from last night during his interview of J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), who is challenging John McCain for the U.S. Senate seat in Arizona (note that Matthews is attempting to belittle McCain’s opponent):

Matthews asked Hayworth: “Are you as far right as the birthers?” Are you one of those who believes that the president should have to prove that he’s a citizen of the United States and not an illegal immigrant? Are you that far right?”

“Well, gosh, we all had to bring our birth certificates to show we were who we said we were and we were the age we said we were to play football in youth sports,” Hayworth responded matter-of-factly. “Shouldn’t we know exactly that anyone who wants to run for public office is a natural born citizen of the United States and is who they say they are?”

Matthews referred back to some of Hayworth’s past statements. “I’m reading your letter that says the president should go back and get his birth certificate from the governor of Hawaii,” said Matthews, who then added: “I’m just asking, do you stand by this letter?”

“Yeah, sure,” Hayworth responded.

“Should the governor of Hawaii produce evidence that the president is one of us,

[dcwusmc]

Bump

[john mirse]

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

At the time of Obama's birth in 1961, parents could rather easily get a Hawaiian birth certificate for a baby who wasn't born in Hawaii.

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1. Aug. 4, 1961--- Obama supposedly born in Hawaii in Kapiolani hospital.

2. Aug. 5, 1961--- Nordyke twins born in Hawaii in same Kapiolani hospital. Copies of long form birth certificates are on internet.

3. Aug. 8, 1961--- Obama's birth certificate is filed with Hawaii vital statistics, if we are to believe what we see on Obama's short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.

4. Aug. 11, 1961--- Nordyke twins birth certificate filed with Hawaii vital statistics.

5. 10641--- Obama number on short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.

6. 10638--- Nordyke twin number on top of long form birth certificate.

7. 10637--- Nordyke twin number on top of long form birth certificate we see on internet.

8. Huh? What is going here that does NOT smell right? Why does Obama's certificate have a HIGHER number than the Nordyke twins' certificates, when the Obama certificate was filed 3 days EARLIER: Aug. 8 vs. Aug. 11.

9. I'm sorry but the following scenario concerning Hawaii clerk procedure is hard for me to believe:

A clerk at the Hawaii vital statistics department files Obama's birth certificate on Aug. 8, but waits until AFTER Aug. 11---the day the Nordyke twins birth certificates are filed---to give Obama's birth certificate a higher number than the Nordyke numbers of 10637 and 10638.

Obama's number is 10641, if we are to believe the filing date that we see on Obama's short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.

10. It seems more reasonable to me that the clerk would give a birth certificate a filing NUMBER at the same time it gave it a filing DATE.

11. So, if Obama's birth certificate was filed on Aug. 8, then I would expect it to get a LOWER filing number than the Nordyke twins' birth certificates that were filed on Aug. 11.

12. But as we can see above, Obama's birth certificate received a HIGHER number---10641---than the Nordyke twins---10637 and 10638.

13. Something does not smell right concerning why Obama received a HIGHER number than the Nordyke twins received.

14. I wish that the Nordyke twins would demand that Hawaii officials explain why they received LOWER numbers than Obama. They obviously have so-called "standing" to ask questions about their own Hawaii birth certificates.

[Wonder Warthog]

"“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Unless said "statement" was taken under oath, legally it means exactly nothing. Put Dr. Fukino in front of a notary public and have her sign the same thing. Or take her into a courtroom, swear her in, and have her verbally repeat the above. Until one of those two happens, this ain't "evidence".

[ASA Vet]

Another thing to ask her under oath is to define “Natural Born.”

[American Constitutionalist]

" Where are all those “anti-birther” clowns that are supposedly conservative or populist like loser O’reilly aka The Leprechaun. Clowns like Beck, Hewitt, Boortz (man is he tedious), Ingraham, Coulter (sad cause I like her), Medved and a few others.

True Blue conservatives and non-sell outs: Rush, Levin, Cunningham, Savage, Malzberg, Dennis Miller (I think) and a few others I think including Hannity.


The Elijah mount Carmel moment, " How long will you falter between two opinions ? "

[Zajko]

Unfortunately the Arabic on this signpost (in addition to being badly mis-spelt and written backwards (left-to-right as opposed to right-to-left) reads ‘Hawaii’ rather than ‘Kenya’ :)

[bjorn14]

Looks like lil’ Chrissy Matthews is trying to be the brightest Dim bulb student in class. He is doing exactly what Prof. Melendez (a day or two earlier) has told all the Dims to do with their opponents and ask them about BHO’s BC.

FWIW, Anti-birther=After birth

[john mirse]

Another thing to ask her under oath is to define “Natural Born.”

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Maybe we should put pressure on Dr. Fukino with the following questions:

"Are you a natural born citizen yourself?

"If you say you are, then how about proving it by showing us your long form birth certificate?

"Did you have to present your long form birth certificate when you applied to your present job and when you applied to medical school?"

[Non-Sequitur]

Another thing to ask her under oath is to define “Natural Born.”

If she answers, "A person born in the United States" then how will you prove she's incorrect?

[urtax$@work]

Go to source website, informative read.
.....Ping

[Canedawg]

Until one of those two happens, this ain’t “evidence”.
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What it is is hearsay, and it violates the Best Evidence Rule.

[MissTickly]

(without the extraneous clauses)

“I have seen the original vital records verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Why does it take more than one record to verify these things? Normally, it would take one vital record. An original birth certificate and nothing more.

[American Constitutionalist]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2440502/posts

[American Constitutionalist]

" Why does it take more than one record to verify these things? Normally, it would take one vital record. An original birth certificate and nothing more. "

Perhaps, after looking at the amended BC after the fact that it was amended and shows that he was born in Hawaii, and after looking at all the documents that they have, they decided to choose to pick the one that comes closest to promote their lie, opps, I mean agenda.

[Danae]

An Indiana Court does not have jurisdiction over either the Constitution or the authority to pass that ruling. It would be overturned on appeal.

Vattel does have relevance here, and only an ignoramus would try to argue otherwise.

[john mirse]

Another thing to ask her under oath is to define “Natural Born.”

If she answers, "A person born in the United States" then how will you prove she's incorrect?

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Fukino under oath? In a court of law?

Boy, that would be great and wonderful.

For instance, after Dr. Fukino answered the question above under oath' presumably in a court of law, I would start asking her the following questions:

1. Could you please cite your references for your statement above so the rest of us can read them?

2. Is Obama a natural born citizen? How do you know?

3. If you cite Obama's long form birth certificate, could you please show it to us so that we can be sure that what you say is correct: That Obama is a natural born citizen.

4. Yes, let us get Dr. Fukino under oath and in court where we can finally ask her questions about Obama's long form birth certificate, such as why Obama' certificate got a HIGHER number than the Nordyke twins's certificates, even though the Nordyke twins were born in the same Kapiolani hospital one day AFTER Obama was born.

5. Yes, getting Dr. Fukino to answer questions under oath, and hopefully in a court of law, would be one of the greatest achievements in the search for and public display of Obama's long form birth certificate.

6. And, obviously, we all know that the great and wise Dr. Fukino will be most enthusiastic to appear in court under oath, where she can finally tell her side of this Obama long form birth certificate issue.

[Danae]

By asking her what she bases her “OPINION” on, because in reality, her “Opinion” is irrelevant.

[MissTickly]

Yes, yes. It was amended and proof offered to uhm, ‘support’ the amendment.

Therefore, we have vital recordS that uhm, ‘prove’ these things.

[Cacique]

btt

[Uncle Chip]

The problem with this explanation is that not all those who are U.S. citizens under the 14th Amendment are natural born citizens because the U.S. Supreme Court, in its ruling, Minor vs. Happersett, years after the 14th Amendment became part of the U.S. Constitution, said that to know what a “natural born citizen” is, one had to have recourse to sources outside the Constitution — an evident denial that the 14th Amendment defined such.

This is a good point that must be remembered when "Arguing with Obamanidiots". That recourse can be found in Vattel's Law of Nations and in the Supreme Court's Venus case.