Moral indictment filed against Columbia University in quest for Obama’s records

THE POST AND EMAIL ^ | Jan. 24, 2010 | by Sharon Rondeau

[Fred Nerks]

PLANS PROTEST AND MOCK TRIAL AT OBAMA’S “ALMA MATER” Dr. James David Manning, PhD, who has charged Columbia University with selling a Political Science degree to Obama — Dr. James David Manning, founder and pastor of ATLAH World Ministries in Harlem and outspoken Obama critic, contends that Barack Hussein Obama never attended Columbia University as he claims, that Columbia “sold” Obama a degree in Political Science, and that these allegations will be proven in a court of law in New York State. He also believes that Obama is ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States due to his failure to meet the “natural born citizen” requirement set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Dr. Manning grew up in Red Springs, NC, and is chief pastor at the ATLAH World Missionary Church in New York City. In 1992, Pastor Manning began a Christian radio program which expanded to a weekly television broadcast on several networks. He has sponsored numerous educational programs intended to “denounce racism as the catalyst for the problems facing the Black population” and to encourage “young people to become the leaders who will bring restoration to the broken and disshelved African- American population.” He currently can be heard on “The Manning Report” Monday through Friday here from 3:00 to 6:00 p.m. ET or by podcast on demand. For more information, please visit www.atlah.org. Today, I interviewed Dr. Manning regarding his plans and strategy to uncover the truth about Obama’s Columbia University degree and other information that has been hidden from the American people. MRS. RONDEAU: You have stated on video that Obama never attended Columbia University. When did you first become convinced of that? DR. MANNING: Through Fox News, back in the primary of 2008; they did an in-depth intensive investigation and interviewed more than...

[LucyT]

Forget about finding classmates. IMHO, it would be much more instructive to know what the fellow actually did, in addition to wandering around Pakistan with chums.

Barack Hussein 0Bama, Jr. could have been delivered on the White House Lawn on the 4th of July by Dr. Jonas Salk, and immediately baptized by Billy Graham and the Pope. He still would NOT be a "Natural Born Citizen," as required by Article II of the Constitution of the US. Not even 0bama himself claims that.

[snip]

The Constitution has been put aside by illegal means to allow 0bama to to claim the office.

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From #59:

No one has ever cleared up the mystery of the multiple SS#s apparently used by 0bama and his mother.

. . . . Check out comments at #55 and #59 by Kenny Bunk.

[Thanks, bitt.]

[stephenjohnbanker]

B U M P

[stephenjohnbanker]

“Thanks...Icould have written that myself! Now, what about that birth certificate.....”

Exactly.

[bgill]

He was probably too spaced to fight anyone, sitting there in the middle of an Afghan poppy patch worshiping all the pretty red flowers bobbing in the breeze.

[butterdezillion]

The thing I don’t understand is how, in a divorce proceeding, the step-dad would be considered the educational provider of the 19-year-old stepson if there was no adoption involved. An adoption would involve a name change. And for his friends to know him as Barry Soetoro - to the point that they wondered who the heck Barack Obama was when he rose to prominence - he had to have used that name when he first attended.

Sounds like you’ve found out from Occidental that before he left his name on the records was Barack Hussein Obama II. Maybe the divorce allowed Occidental to change the name on the credits so they could transfer as BHO II as though that’s who he always was.

If you don’t mind posting privately to me and feel comfortable about sharing, I’d be very interested to know how Occidental was forced to admit that they had a student named Barack Hussein Obama II - and what justification they used to not ALSO say whether they ever had a student named Barry Soetoro. I’m imagining there’s the same kind of stonewalling at Occidental as there is at the HI DOH.

To this day the DOH refuses to say if they’ve got any index data on anybody named Soetoro or Sutoro - even though they are required by law to give that index data. I’ve been waiting 3 months. I asked the OIP what name the DOH is searching under when they refer to “President Obama”. I just got back a snotty response about it being customary to refer to somebody by their honorary title and it has no bearing on what specific search terms they use. So I still don’t know whether there is any record of a Barry Soetoro.

Is the Illinois Bar governed by any disclosure laws? Anybody know? Can anybody ping this to people who might know?

Or who might know what kind of situation would make the stepdad STILL the provider for educational purposes after a divorce. If I remember correctly the divorce resulted in Soetoro being given only the educational responsibility for Obama. If that is so, how could that happen if Soetoro had never adopted Obama? Or what does it take for Obama to be called a “child of the marriage”?

[butterdezillion]

I agree whole-heartedly.

One thing though. The dual citizenship claim hinges on Obama being the son of Barack Obama Sr. I understand Leo saying we need to go by what Obama has publicly claimed, but for purposes of law the official records are what we have to go by. A lot of what Obama put in his biography has already been proven wrong by the records. So the birth certificate is vital even to the dual citizenship issue. Without having the birth certificate we have no starting place from a legal standpoint.

I personally don’t trust the DC Circuit Court. That’s the same circuit that tries the Washington politicians, and it was badly, badly politicized via Clinton’s “Magnificent Seven” - who had monthly private meetings with only them invited, and whose leader particularly bypassed the random computer assignment of judges to cases involving Clinton’s people. Judge Robertson was one of the Magnificent Seven - the guy who tried to slap punitive fines on eligibility lawyers (I forget which one) because the issue had been Twittered already and was therefore decided. That’s the kind of kangaroo jurisprudence they are willing to employ. And as far as I know, the seven are still in place today. I think Jeff Sessions tried to ensure that the random assignment of cases was not bypassed but I don’t know how successful he was at that.

I think public outcry has to force criminal investigations on this before QW comes up, or else the DC Court will clean up after the dem poopers just like they always do - using reasoning like Judge Robertson’s. Only if I understand correctly, a QW can’t be appealed to SCOTUS, which is where the Magnificent SEven are typically overturned so decent legal precedent doesn’t get screwed up by these political hacks. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong on that (which I hope I am).

[bgill]

Barack Hussein 0Bama, Jr. could have been delivered on the White House Lawn on the 4th of July by Dr. Jonas Salk, and immediately baptized by Billy Graham and the Pope. He still would NOT be a Natural Born Citizen," as required by Article II of the Constitution of the US. Not even 0bama himself claims that.

Exactly. I still say he made a HUGE mistake that's going to bite him on his butt in sitting on the Senate committee with Leahy and Hillary which agreed NBC meant TWO AMERICAN PARENTS in determining McLame's eligibility. Now, can someone please point me to the committee for the usurper's eligi.... oh, never mind.

[rxsid]

"One thing though. The dual citizenship claim hinges on Obama being the son of Barack Obama Sr. I understand Leo saying we need to go by what Obama has publicly claimed, but for purposes of law the official records are what we have to go by. "

There is an official record that exists already. The 1964 divorce record states that Stanley Ann D. Obama and Barack H. Obama "were lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage cerimonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18130289/Obama-1964-Divorce-Papers-13-Pages-Missing-Pg-11

[bgill]

In regards to adoption and how it affects a BC, well, I’ve BTDT every which way including stamping and filing such records. In every case I know of from coast to coast (but not HA, unfortunately) the original BC is modified (don’t kid yourself, old county records might be boxed up in the basement, but never, ever, ever are they destroyed - which begs the question why no one is looking at the county level). Either the clerk takes a black marker (like that hides anything) to all the indexes (I’ve yet to see anyone say they’ve tried looking at the index books which might be public) with all party names and she will either remove the original BC or merely paste the adoptive BC on top of the original. In cases of divorce back in those days, the child was never un-adopted and it’s not mentioned in Ann’s divorce. So, Hussein, himself, would have had to petition the court to legally change his last name from Soetoro to Obama. I don’t remember when the age of maturity changed from 21 - 18 so he might have had to wait until he was 21 which would put him in college. Any of these reasons might answer your question of the plural records in HA.

[Kenny Bunk]

Like everything else in the strange appearance of one Barack Hussein 0bama, Jr. amongst us, even this is something we are looking at in Alice-in-Wonderland's Magic Mirror.

There is the Divorce Decree, with no evidence of a Marriage License. We simply do not know if Stanley Ann Dunham, and the already married father, BHO, Sr., went through any sort of ceremony. No witnesses have come forward. Wailuku, Maui? It is the county seat and has a courthouse full of records ... except for this one.

BHO, Sr. could well be BHO, Jr.'s answer to the mysterious Blythe, the convenient dead guy who was in the Army in Europe until three months before Bill Clinton's birth, and who was also already married with children in Texas. Bill's Uncle Ray handled that one.

[rxsid]

Completely agree that it may not be the ultimate truth. However, until THAT court document gets overturned by another court document...they were legally married "in the eyes" of the judiciary in HI. There is no legal public record that proves Sr. was still married. Yes, we believe he was, yes...he undoubtedly was. Yet, there is no legal document proclaiming such.

To "overturn" the 1964 court ordered divorce of a legal marriage (per that court record) would undoubtedly require discovery. So....bring on the discover!

Either scenario, it's a win, win for this issue and simply more that using Barry's own words. We also use what is known and provable in the public realm....court records.

[rxsid]

b.t.w., do “we” know for 100% sure that in 1961 Hawaii, that polygamy was unlawful? Just another angle.

[LucyT]

....Pinging butterdezillion to #55.

Please read paragraph Eight (8).

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[butterdezillion]

True, and good point. I wonder if “natural born citizen” relies on the citizenship status of the birth father and mother, or the father and mother who raise the child, or what.

Again, there are many reasons that the SCOTUS should clarify the term “natural born”.

[butterdezillion]

Hawaii does allow un-adoption. Obama didn’t have a legal name change, according to the LT Gov’s office (who keeps those records).

We’re trying to look in a book of index records. That’s why the DOH illegally changed their rules to charge for index data. They claim they don’t have index lists from 1961 and their retention schedule says they only have to keep the lists for a short time (2 years?).

The Hawaii procedure is that a supplementary BC is made and the original BC is sealed, only to be opened by court order. When un-adoption occurs, the original BC is reinstated and the supplementary BC is sealed.

This is confusing, but this is how I analyze the use of the word “records” (plural) in Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement:

I don’t think his birth story is true, and if you analyze the statement that Fukino put out on July 27, 2009, what she says admits the same. When she said that she saw Obama’s vital records (plural) she knew full well that the only vital record they have for him is his birth record. That’s what they’ve said in their index data. So when she made the term plural she indicated that there is more than one record for him, even though there is only one event involved. That is an admission that his original birth certificate is amended.

If there was a supplementary BC because of an adoption that BC would be sealed; she could not see it unless she had a court order. (Note to self: I’ll ask to see the court order by which she was able to see a supplementary BC for Obama, to verify whether that was the case)

Either way, even if there was a supplementary BC, the birth place should have been the same as was on the original BC so she had no need to ask or to see a supplementary BC, and she claimed to see the original vital records.

The only reason she would have to look at records (plural) is if the item she wanted to verify from the original was the very item which was amended - in which case she would have to look in a different file to see the evidence presented and make a judgment based on the quality of the evidence.

She is only authorized to make that judgment if the document is actually presented to her as evidence, and there is no procedure whereby Obama would present evidence to Fukino. So her statement was absolutely illegal.

But anyway, her statement regards his birth place. If the amendment was about anything else, such as date of birth, gender, parents’ info, etc she wouldn’t need to look at either a supplementary BC or the file of evidence in order to make her statement. The only reason for her to say records (plural) is if he amended his place of birth.

Unless his birth was originally a late registration (at that time it would have been called a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth), in which case there would have to have been affidavits to support the claimed facts of birth. But in order to get a COLB printed he would have to have converted his COHB to a late BC, which is not prima facie evidence so Fukino couldn’t vouch for any of the facts claimed on it anyway.

I just learned from Miss Tickly that she asked for the documents submitted as evidence for Obama’s vital records and was denied access to them. That means (or is supposed to mean, if the DOH is obeying their laws at all - which they aren’t) that those documents exist. That’s DOH confirmation that Fukino’ statement is worded as it is because Obama amended his birth place or because his original birth certificate was late (in which case their statements that his birth information was in their office by Aug 9, 1961 is false, as are the birth announcements in the newspapers).

[butterdezillion]

Dang. I hit the wrong key and lost what I wanted to post.

The DOH has an index record of a marriage between BHO Sr and SAD. They say that means a recorded marriage, not just an application for a license.

But the DOH has lied so many times it’s not even funny. There’s the big stuff I documented at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/ but there’s also a lot smaller but just as stinky stuff they’ve been doing all along.

The DOH won’t send me a non-certified copy of BHO and SAD’s marriage certificate even though it is expressly authorized for release to anybody who asks for it, as are non-certified death certs and abbreviated BC’s. They won’t send me non-certified copies of BHO II’s abbreviated BC, SAD & BHO’s marriage certificate, or the death certs for SAD or Madelyn Dunham.

The Ombudsman’s Office says that’s fine because the DOH rules say they MAY (not must) release it. Ombudsman apparently won’t correct DOH who is claiming they CAN’T release it.

I can appeal to the OIP, since UIPA says that if a document is expressly authorized for release it MUST be released. But the OIP is sending all requests to make the DOH follow the law..... to the DOH to decide. Some watchdog, huh? More like sleeping dog. Or maybe tranquillized dog?

[butterdezillion]

Right. I agree.

What the BC issue shows us, though, is that people in government positions are breaking laws to cover something that is on Obama’s BC. I think it is that he wasn’t born in Hawaii, or that his records are based on the mere claims of Madelyn Dunham. We already know that what they have is not considered prima facie evidence.

When we take something to court we get a ruling on what the term “natural born” means, which is absolutely necessary. So I fully support the legal cases.

The Quo Warranto will give the DC Circuit Court the jurisdiction to rule specifically on Obama, and I don’t trust them to do that. They could get the definition of “natural born” screwed up AND Obama’s particulars screwed up.

The criticism I’ve received from people like Ace and Drew at Ace of Spades is that Obama could just come up with a new original BC that says what he wants it to say and the DC Court would be fine with it. But we’ve already got evidence that there is major monkey business going on in Hawaii to cover up SOMETHING. Indicators are that it deals with his place of birth. Any forged “original BC” they come up with has to explain what the DOH, OIP, etc have already done and said. At this point there’s nothing they could come up with that would be able to do that.

As large as the “natural born” definition is, I also believe that the law enforcement aspect is vital. There is no question in my mind that government bureaucrats will break the law to cover for the politicians who reward them (or threaten them). Some people say this makes me a conspiracy theorist. In light of what I’ve observed myself and seen via Gerald Walpin, Chrysler lawyers, media heads, etc, I think this entire nation needs a dose of reality. We are being governed by a mob of thugs, and that is the bigger reality I think people need to be forced to come to grips with.

[danamco]

They could get the definition of “natural born” screwed up AND Obama’s particulars screwed up.

Here is where Fukino screwed up: natural-born....."A M E R I C A N" .....Citizen!!!

The wording American I never seen before, and nobody have ever referred to that either???

[butterdezillion]

Fukino said she couldn’t say anything except what the press release specifically said, and Okubo said the release was approved by AG Mark Bennett. But they deny there is anything in writing between Bennett and Fukino about the statement.

I’m sure it took Bennett a long time to see the documents for himself, investigate the definitions of “natural-born” and approve the wording using “American” rather than United States.

Good to know that language so precisely-chosen that Fukino could not stray even a word from it was decided upon sheerly verbally, with no written trail. I wonder how much time we’ll find was spent on it.

I have spent literally thousands of hours researching this issue, as have several colleagues of mine. The contemptuous way these jerks are treating the whole issue has me livid.

[rxsid]

"They could get the definition of “natural born” screwed up AND Obama’s particulars screwed up.

Here is where Fukino screwed up: natural-born....."A M E R I C A N" .....Citizen!!!

The wording American I never seen before, and nobody have ever referred to that either???

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That is an interesting word to choose for that statement. Even though popularly when the word "American" is said, folks typically know that the United States is meant...technically, Canadians are American's (as in North American) and Brazilians are Americans too (as in South American)...for two examples. Similar to the notion that Japanese are Asian's, just as Chinese are Asian's or that German's are European as are French.

So for her statement to say "natural-born American citizen" is really odd!