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To: Kenny Bunk

The thing I don’t understand is how, in a divorce proceeding, the step-dad would be considered the educational provider of the 19-year-old stepson if there was no adoption involved. An adoption would involve a name change. And for his friends to know him as Barry Soetoro - to the point that they wondered who the heck Barack Obama was when he rose to prominence - he had to have used that name when he first attended.

Sounds like you’ve found out from Occidental that before he left his name on the records was Barack Hussein Obama II. Maybe the divorce allowed Occidental to change the name on the credits so they could transfer as BHO II as though that’s who he always was.

If you don’t mind posting privately to me and feel comfortable about sharing, I’d be very interested to know how Occidental was forced to admit that they had a student named Barack Hussein Obama II - and what justification they used to not ALSO say whether they ever had a student named Barry Soetoro. I’m imagining there’s the same kind of stonewalling at Occidental as there is at the HI DOH.

To this day the DOH refuses to say if they’ve got any index data on anybody named Soetoro or Sutoro - even though they are required by law to give that index data. I’ve been waiting 3 months. I asked the OIP what name the DOH is searching under when they refer to “President Obama”. I just got back a snotty response about it being customary to refer to somebody by their honorary title and it has no bearing on what specific search terms they use. So I still don’t know whether there is any record of a Barry Soetoro.

Is the Illinois Bar governed by any disclosure laws? Anybody know? Can anybody ping this to people who might know?

Or who might know what kind of situation would make the stepdad STILL the provider for educational purposes after a divorce. If I remember correctly the divorce resulted in Soetoro being given only the educational responsibility for Obama. If that is so, how could that happen if Soetoro had never adopted Obama? Or what does it take for Obama to be called a “child of the marriage”?


65 posted on 01/28/2010 9:12:55 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

In regards to adoption and how it affects a BC, well, I’ve BTDT every which way including stamping and filing such records. In every case I know of from coast to coast (but not HA, unfortunately) the original BC is modified (don’t kid yourself, old county records might be boxed up in the basement, but never, ever, ever are they destroyed - which begs the question why no one is looking at the county level). Either the clerk takes a black marker (like that hides anything) to all the indexes (I’ve yet to see anyone say they’ve tried looking at the index books which might be public) with all party names and she will either remove the original BC or merely paste the adoptive BC on top of the original. In cases of divorce back in those days, the child was never un-adopted and it’s not mentioned in Ann’s divorce. So, Hussein, himself, would have had to petition the court to legally change his last name from Soetoro to Obama. I don’t remember when the age of maturity changed from 21 - 18 so he might have had to wait until he was 21 which would put him in college. Any of these reasons might answer your question of the plural records in HA.


69 posted on 01/28/2010 10:29:13 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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