Pat Robertson blames Haiti suffering on 'pact with devil' (Idiot Alert)

Remember that very well. There were many post here about how Clinton was involved in a vodoo ceremony in Haiti to help his 98 re-election.

INDEED.

THX.

YUP.

I’d forgotten.

And, I’d never gotten that far into the details.

Well, I remember it involved using some clothing (unmentionables) It was bizarre.I’ll have to see if there’s anything in archives here.

Whenever Pat “Bag of Hammers” Robertson opens his mouth, his foot goes farther in.

I've some Potawatomi Chiefs up the family line from me....

My grandmother and mother look Indian. I've cousins that most surely look Indian. But I do not...Took after my grandpa...

Grandmother and all her siblings had Potawatomi middle names...

It's interesting...fer sure. But I don't call myself a American Indian....just an American, with some Indian blood.

FRegards,

Ha!!

Life and learn....!!

My father was born in Paris, TN...I've never been there. His father was a bridge builder..of some regard there. At least that is what I've been told. Never met my father's parents...

You will have to explain the "butternut but some blue" comment...I don't understand that.

Yeah, the Bois D'Arc tree is known by many names....."Horse Apple" being one..!! Ha!!

Used to be around here...they planted them in rows for fencing. Made one heck of a hedgerow...tightly spaced.

And also make great fence posts, turning wood, fire wood, and wood for bowyers.

FRegards,

Question: Did our forefathers’ committing our nation to God have any effect? Are we, in general, blessed by God here in the States? Does the “National Day of Prayer” have any effect whatsoever?

A similar question: Is there any consequence to a nation’s forefathers committing their nation to satan? Is there any consequence to a nation overwhelmingly embracing voodoo, an anti-God religion?

Just wondering if spiritual stuff has an relevance and/or consequence to physical stuff.

thanks Quix...coming from you that means something....my ego just got a nice bump.

regards

The main point I was trying to make in my post was that only the US and Canada in the Western Hemisphere have prospered, and, I believe that this has much to do with the Christian principles of our founders. As to the whole Satanic pact deal, I don't know if it is factual or not. Since you provided a web-link, I'll provide one also that has some points made by a Haitian Christian.

http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/academy/gelin-10-05.shtml

What I think was unfortunate about Rev. Robertson's statement was that many people take what he said as a statement that the earthquake was punishment from God. The "rain falls on the just and the unjust", so I don't believe we can play God and decide when an event is punishment from God

Thanks for your kind reply.

I’m a fierce believer in

HONOR TO WHOM HONOR IS DUE.

My biases don’t count much on that score, imho.

Bless you and those you love in this New Year.

Please stay safe. Please walk close to God.

Thanks for your kind reply.

I suppose I should be impressed by the article by fellow Pentecostal at the link you provided.

I wasn’t.

It’s not all that common for satan’s work to see a LOT of the light of day or to be heralded and documented far and wide in the light of day.

However, I will watch and see if there’s other confirmation of his perspective.

I believe the other narrative has a fair amount of confirmation . . . evidently sans pig statue. Or else, the pig statue was removed at a propitious time.

I certainly believe the narratives about the Klintoons’ involvement in Aristide’s satan worship stuff. That’s right down their alley.

Please ping me to any confirmation you find.

Thanks.

Hi ST, long time no see! (Because I haven’t had time to check in in a long time.:-)

Have you researched the issue of Haiti having Satanic assistance in its beginning? I’ve never had occasion to do so before now and even now I have scant time to devote to it. A quick search on (haiti pact devil -robertson) shows that Pat Robertson certainly didn’t start the story. It has been around for a long, long time. Is it true? I have no idea.

I do get irritated, though, at Christians who immediately declare a fellow Christian to be an idiot/moron/buffoon the moment he says something contrary to mainstream secular thought. They’re so worried about what the secular world will think of us that they don’t really consider what was said.

Christians who think God doesn’t curse nations, who think He doesn’t judge nations, need to spend more time in the Bible. He does. Christians who think Satan doesn’t have the power and the will to make deals, also need to spend some more time in the Bible, because he does have both the power and the will. And when we consider that, why would we so quickly declare Robertson an idiot, without giving him the benefit of doing a little research? He didn’t start the story and it’s not some fringe story only found in the deepest darkest corners of the Internet. It’s widespread with a long life.

Well, I didn’t mean to ramble, LOL!

MM

Butternut=Rebels

Blue= Yankees

it’s a just a peculiarity to living on ground where so many fought and died and being raised hearing of it all one’s life

You were saying ...

Christians who think God doesn’t curse nations, who think He doesn’t judge nations, need to spend more time in the Bible. He does. Christians who think Satan doesn’t have the power and the will to make deals, also need to spend some more time in the Bible, because he does have both the power and the will. And when we consider that, why would we so quickly declare Robertson an idiot, without giving him the benefit of doing a little research? He didn’t start the story and it’s not some fringe story only found in the deepest darkest corners of the Internet. It’s widespread with a long life.

Nice to hear from you...

Yeah, it's the "liberal worldview" that some FReepers have here, when it comes to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and what He does in our world. And also, it's the same "liberal/leftist worldview" that some posters here support, in rejecting that there are evil angels and demons active in this world (of course, along with God's righteous angels, too).

They seem to think that we're the only "beings" here on this world, which is a typical leftist/liberal worldview, which is used to reject the Word of God and what it tells us...

And, for the record, I don't support Pat Robertson and neither do I watch him. But, if someone says something that is true, I'm going to support the "truth of the matter" regardless of whom it is. And that would be pretty much what I would be doing here.

In regards to research into Haiti's voodoo/witchcraft/Satanic practices, I have not researched it. I've only read on numerous occasions information given on it from Christian pastors, teachers and researchers. I've never wanted to go very deeply into that subject.

Government Of The Devil, By The Devil, And For The Devil By Tom Barrett (03/11/04) "Haiti is the only country in the entire world that has dedicated its government to Satan. Demonic spirits have been consulted for political decisions, and have shaped the country's history." Thus speaks Reverend Doug Anderson, who grew up in Haiti with missionary parents, and served there along with his wife Dawn as a missionary until 1990. The leaders of Haiti make no attempt to hide their allegiance to Satan. Haiti’s government is a government of the devil, by the devil, and for the devil. It is a matter of well-documented historical fact that the nation of Haiti was dedicated to Satan 200 years ago. On August 14, 1791, a group of houngans (voodoo priests), led by a former slave houngan named Boukman, made a pact with the Devil at a place called Bois-Caiman. All present vowed to exterminate all of the white Frenchmen on the island. They sacrificed a black pig in a voodoo ritual at which hundreds of slaves drank the pig’s blood. In this ritual, Boukman asked Satan for his help in liberating Haiti from the French. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to give the country to Satan for 200 years and swore to serve him. On January 1, 1804, the nation of Haiti was born and thus began a new demonic tyranny. At the time of the pact Haiti was France's richest colony, and was known as the Pearl of the Antilles for its singular beauty. But it soon became one of the world's poorest and most benighted nations. Scoffers may say that there is no connection between the fact that Haiti was the richest nation in the hemisphere, and then became the poorest after selling its national soul to Satan. But the scoffers can’t come up with a better explanation. Voodoo is a practice based on a mixture of African spiritism and witchcraft. Depending on the source of one’s research, between 75 and 90 percent of Haitians practice voodoo. This seems to fly in the face of the fact that the country is predominantly Catholic. But, like their African ancestors, voodoo practitioners have no problem embracing multiple religions. In fact, most who practice voodoo believe they must be Catholic first. Until recently, voodoo was practiced in secret. Practitioners would go to the Catholic Church on Sunday, and attend voodoo ceremonies deep in the woods at other times. Voodoo was forbidden during the colonial times, and the 32 Haitian governments that followed independence also suppressed the practice because of world condemnation. But on April 8, 2003, President Jean-Bertrand Aristide approved Voodoo as an officially recognized religion in Haiti (see links below). Voodoo priests can now perform marriages and other ceremonies previously reserved for Christian religions. "An ancestral religion, Voodoo is an essential part of national identity," Aristide said in the decree recognizing Voodoo. Aristide has been a controversial figure since he became the first freely elected president in Haiti’s history in 1991, 200 years after the nation was dedicated to Satan. A defrocked Catholic priest, Aristide was expelled in 1988 from his order, the Salesians. He was a hero of the resistance to Haitian tyranny, then president, then exiled, then restored to the presidency by his close friend, Bill Clinton. One of his first acts was to express his support for reinstating the Voodoo pact that expired the year he was elected. He claimed that Voodoo was the “national religion” of Haiti, and a source of national pride. Even before Aristide came to power, a U.S. embassy official in Port-au-Prince described Aristide as "a Marxist maniac." Newsweek Magazine called him "the flaky Father Jean-Bertrand Aristide." And none other than Henry Kissinger declared that he was “psychotic.” While it is true that Aristide used Communism to gain power, I don’t believe he is psychotic. What many see as madness is simply the pure evil that emanates from the man. The Media Research Center (see link below), which describes Aristide as a “charismatic Marxist priest” had this to say about the man: “Aristide wasn’t much of a Democrat, paying people to beat up his opponents, and becoming wealthy from drug trafficking into the U.S. For a good, brief primer on Aristide, see Aristide Must Go, the editorial in the March 8 Weekly Standard. It explains how “It is not the democratic authorities that are being overthrown in Haiti, but Aristide's retinue of gunmen.” (There is a link to this article below, as well.) Aristide was only in office eight months before he was ousted and fled to the United States. There he effectively lobbied Bill Clinton and other government officials, convincing them that he was not the tyrant that Haitians said he was. After Clinton sent 20,000 American troops to install Aristide in power in 1994, the president-turned-dictator disbanded the army. But the civilian police force he replaced it with has also brutalized the Haitian people, engaging in summary executions as well as the drug-running that has made Aristide the richest man in Haiti. This drug money allows Aristide to live in a lavish mansion in a nation where the average yearly salary is $350. As the Weekly Standard editorial by Christopher Caldwell says, “Aristide, of course, did not create Haiti's problems, but he profits from all of them. His ten years of direct and indirect rule have been a disaster. His regime has been democratic only in the Haitian sense of one man, one vote, one time. The last free and fair election in Haiti was in 1990, the closely monitored contest that brought Aristide to power. Even then, Aristide was making use of street violence orchestrated by his ‘vigilance committees’.” Four years ago, Aristide received over 90 percent of the vote in a presidential election so transparently corrupt that several American and European agencies reluctantly froze hundreds of millions of dollars in aid money. With a mystifying regularity reminiscent of Saddam Hussein, Aristide has refused the simplest procedural inducements to unlock millions that could have been used to feed and treat his poorer compatriots. From humble beginnings as a Salesian slum priest, Aristide has become the richest man in Haiti. How? Last Wednesday in Miami, the Haitian mafioso Beaudoin Ketant, go-between for three Colombian cartels, was sentenced to 27 years in prison for transporting 30 tons of cocaine between Haiti and Florida. At his sentencing, Ketant said that Aristide "is a drug lord. He controlled the drug trade in Haiti. It's a one-man show, your honor. You either pay him or you die." Caldwell goes on to relate how Aristide created a series of banks that paid absurd rates of interest, which enticed Haiti’s tiny middle class to deposit their hard-earned dollars. He then stole $90 million from the banks, effectively demolishing the middle class and creating a classic poor-against-rich uprising that resulted in his ouster. Democrat almost-nominee John Kerry spoke out in support of Aristide prior to his resignation, saying, “This democracy is going to be sustained.” Democrat Charlie Rangel and the Congressional Black Caucus, along with such upstanding citizens as “Reverend” Jesses Jackson and Alcee Hastings (the former federal judge convicted of bribery), have been calling for the US to once again install Aristide in power following his recent resignation. They have been irresponsibly trumpeting his ridiculous lies about being “kidnapped” by the US and “forced into exile.” The obvious facts are that Aristide begged for US help and we protected him. When it became clear that the only way his safety could be assured was to leave the country, we provided transportation for him. Had we not intervened, Aristide would have been dead in a matter of days, so furious were the people he had abused for years. He gladly boarded the plane, grateful for our protection. Now that he is safe, he is laying the groundwork for a possible comeback with his preposterous lies. Rangel, Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee and the rest of the Black Caucus should be ashamed of siding with a vicious dictator against their own country. I don’t have a bone of prejudice in my body against blacks. But I am greatly prejudiced against the members of this Caucus because of their constant use of the race card, whether or not race is an issue. It is clearly not the issue here. The fact that Aristide is black is not why his countrymen want him gone. It is because he is an evil man. My biggest problem with this man is the fact that, not only did he make Voodoo an official religion, he used every device available to him to promote it. On the day that his government officially recognized Voodoo, he paid all the radio stations to play nothing but Voodoo music all day. He flew in 400 Voodoo priests from West Africa, the birthplace of the evil religion, to promote it. A missionary couple who run an orphanage and a school for 400 children in Haiti sent a report to their supporters last summer (see the link to “Religious Persecution Intensifies in Haiti” below). It reads, in part, “Last week a baby was stolen from the hospital in St. Marc. The reason the child is to be sacrificed to appease the Voodoo gods for the so-called special day of celebration.” Can there be any question of the horribly evil nature of this “religion” that former priest Aristide promotes? And now for the good news. Even with Aristid’s support and promotion, Voodoo in Haiti is doomed. God’s people have gone on the offensive, and the blood pact that has kept Haiti in darkness for 200 years has been broken. I first heard this account from Bishop Joel Jeune at a meeting of the Gospel Crusade Ministerial Fellowship (www.GCMF.org). Jeune is the Coordinator of Haiti for the GCMF and oversees 64 churches there. The link, “US Department of State Report of Religious Freedom” below contains this report: “In early August 1997, three evangelical pastors were arrested near Cap Haitien after they had proceeded with plans to hold a religious revival at Bois Caiman. Bois Caiman has a strong patriotic significance for Haitians, since it is the site of a legendary 1791 voodoo ceremony at which slaves swore to rise up against their masters and risk death rather than continue to live in bondage. The resulting slave rebellion was a precursor to the Haitian Revolution (1791-1804). “The pastors, who had been prohibited by the authorities from holding the revival on the actual anniversary of the ceremony, proceeded instead with plans to hold the event several days before the anniversary, hoping to rid the area of malevolent influences. This offended much of the local populace and local authorities, who arrested pastors Joel Jeune, Jean Berthony Paul, and Gregor Joseph on August 4. They were released on the orders of a judge on August 6.” The government account tells only part of the story. In the link “Haiti - God's country after a ‘holy invasion’ you will see the following and much more (very exciting reading): "On 14 August 1997, God's people in Haiti experienced a historic victory over Satan, a milestone in winning our country back for God. The reason lies in history. The slaves brought here from Africa have suffered incredibly for many years. On 14 August 1791, a slave leader by the name of Boukman called a secret meeting in a wood called Bois-Caiman near Cap Haitien, which was attended by a large number of slaves. They celebrated a satanic ceremony, sacrificing a pig and drinking its blood, swore to serve the Devil and dedicated Haiti to him. For 206 years, Bois-Caiman was a very holy place, a high place which could only be entered by witch doctors during Voodoo ceremonies. For 206 years, they have been meeting there every August 14 to sacrifice to Satan. “A number of Christian leaders, including Paul and Gerald Clerie of 'Vision: Haiti' and Christian leaders among the large numbers of Haitians in the USA, Canada, France and other countries, called Christians to unite on 14 August 1997 to pray and fast that Haiti would return to God. In Haiti's towns, villages and mountains, Christians came together to fast and pray, held victory marches in the streets and a large event in the capital from 6am to 10pm during the holy invasion.” “Our church members started their march in front of the President's palace and marched for 6 hours to the place where the satanic ceremony took place 206 years ago. We had informed the government and media of our intentions weeks before the event, and were told that the witch doctors would be there, as they were every year. When we arrived, they had hidden themselves, unable to directly confront the Christians. It was a significant spiritual battle to reach the tree under which the pig was sacrificed in the original ceremony. We formed a Jericho march, circling the magic tree seven times. On the seventh time around, God gave many people a vision of the Devil fleeing from the area. The Christians were overjoyed. We cancelled the satanic contract and broke the curse, before celebrating communion and dedicating the area as a place of prayer. We also declared 14 August to be a national prayer day, on which people should pray that Haiti will return to God. On the same day, several witch doctors were saved during the events in the capital. Three days after our holy invasion, the witch doctors returned to Bois-Caiman to bring their sacrifices and call on the spirits. After days of effort, nothing happened, because we had commanded the spirits never to return and dedicated the area to Christ. The witch doctors complained to the government and media. At first, the government also protested, speaking in a press release of 'terrible damage to a Voodoo holy place in which no Christian had set foot for 206 years.' By the grace of God, the government relented and respected our legal right as Haitians to gather at any place on Haiti, including Bois-Caiman, where they now allow all Christian groups to meet. The place is now very popular, and local Christians gather there daily for prayer and fasting. All Haitians now know that the country no longer has a pact with the Devil; the contract has been cancelled, the curse broken. In 1991, 200 years after his predecessors had dedicated Haiti to Satan, Jean-Bertrand Aristide became president of Haiti and attempted to renew the contract. In 1997, the contract was broken forever. In 2003, in a last desperate attempt to retain power, Aristide made Voodoo an official religion. And now he is gone. Let us pray that Haiti, with its newfound freedom, will turn to the one true God. US Department of State Report of Religious Freedom http://www.cesnur.org/testi/irf/irf_haiti99.html Haiti - God's country after a 'holy invasion' http://www.jesus.org.uk/dawn/1998/dawn9802.html Victory Over Voodoo in Haiti http://www.christian-connection.org/print.php?sid=299 Religious Persecution Intensifies In Haiti http://www.andyfigueroa.net/haiti.htm Haiti; Satan's Stronghold http://www.raptureme.com/rap16.html Breaking the Blood Pact http://www.newdirections.org/index.php/pressroom Aristide Approves Voodoo as an Official Religion http://www.religionnewsblog.com/archives/00002966.html Voodoo “Its Official in Haiti” http://www.ccgm.org.au/articles/ARTICLE-0070.htm Aristide Defends Record http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/5060184.htm ARISTIDE MANSION http://www.salon.com/news/1999/03/12news.html Media Research Center http://www.mediaresearch.org/printer/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040302pf.asp “Pearl of the Antilles” http://www.rminet.org/retreat_center.htm “Aristide Must Go” The Weekly Standard http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/795ywram.asp Aristide Claims He Was Kidnapped from Haiti http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040306/wl_nm/haiti_aristide_dc_1 Islamic Influences on Haitian Voodoo http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/voodoo/islam.htm The Challenges Facing Haiti http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/bookreviews/arisfarmplum.htm

“Kitchen Sink” posts rarely, if ever, are effective.

Forgot to add, I could find a list longer than that criticizing any group you could name.

Maybe I’ll try paragraphing it for you later tonight after the special prayer meeting.