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Some Democrats Want To Modify Filibuster Rules [Translation: Dems Want One-Party Rule]
LATimes ^ | January 09th 2010 | Janet Hook

Posted on 01/09/2010 8:42:57 PM PST by Steelfish

Some Democrats Want To Modify Filibuster Rules With Republicans using endless speeches to block all manner of legislation, and the prospect of fewer Democrats after midterm elections, some say it's time for a change so the majority can govern.

By Janet Hook January 9, 2010

Reporting from Washington - The Senate filibuster has emerged as the bane of President Obama's legislative agenda, igniting anger among liberals over a tactic that is now hogtying Congress even on uncontroversial bills.

The threat of filibusters has become so common that congressional leaders take it for granted that any bill of consequence will not pass the 100-member Senate with a simple majority of 51. Instead, 60 votes -- the number needed to cut off the interminable speeches of a filibuster -- has become the minimum required.

Frustration has intensified in the wake of Senate Republicans' no-holds-barred effort to block the healthcare bill, which forced Democrats to scrounge for 60 votes at every legislative turn to prevent a filibuster.

Now, facing the prospect of losing seats in this fall's midterm elections, some Democrats are seeking to change the rules.

While Democrats have large majorities in the House and Senate, the 60-vote threshold for action in the Senate has become a powerful curb on the scope of the Obama agenda. To prevail over united Republicans, all 58 Democrats, including a small but influential faction of conservatives, have to stick together, along with the Senate's two independents.

The Democrats' vulnerability will be even greater given the announcements of Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) and Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.) that they will not run for reelection this year.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Steelfish

Heh, this simple scumbag Janet Cook (wasn’t she the plagiarist who got fired from somewhere...?) never worried about the filibuster while the Republicans controlled the Senate.


21 posted on 01/09/2010 9:32:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight; BuckeyeTexan

Secession would be better for Texas.
But for America’s sake, we desperately need eight more Republican Senators from Texas.
And that can be done this year! And it can be done without a secession fight.


22 posted on 01/09/2010 9:33:02 PM PST by Aroostook25
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To: Steelfish

Oops, nevermind. I was thinking of Janet Cooke, the Washington Post disgrace who made up the story ‘Jimmy’s World’ back in the ‘80s. The author of this LA Times column is Janet Hook.


23 posted on 01/09/2010 9:35:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: sickoflibs
The irony was that talk radio called for republicans to do the same for judges make it 51, if they did Health Care Reform would be passed last July.

Not accurate. The role of advice and consent for appointments is a mandatory duty of the Senate. The so-called "nuclear option" was not to reduce the number needed for filibuster, but rather to require a full Senate vote on appointments, because filibuster unconstitutionally prevented the Senate from doing their sworn duty. The nuke option was to force a Constitutional crisis that would require a SCOTUS ruling. Day-to-day legislation would still have been subject to normal filibuster rules.

BTW: the cloture vote used to be 66 votes. The Dems reduced it in the 70's in a power play.

24 posted on 01/09/2010 9:49:28 PM PST by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: sickoflibs
The irony was that talk radio called for republicans to do the same for judges make it 51, if they did Health Care Reform would be passed last July.

Not accurate. The role of advice and consent for appointments is a mandatory duty of the Senate. The so-called "nuclear option" was not to reduce the number needed for filibuster, but rather to require a full Senate vote on appointments, because filibuster unconstitutionally prevented the Senate from doing their sworn duty. The nuke option was to force a Constitutional crisis that would require a SCOTUS ruling. Day-to-day legislation would still have been subject to normal filibuster rules.

BTW: the cloture vote used to be 66 votes. The Dems reduced it in the 70's in a power play.

25 posted on 01/09/2010 9:49:28 PM PST by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: sickoflibs

I know lots of people here wanted to go “nuclear” on the judge issue when Republicans controlled the Senate. In hindsight, that gang of 14 agreement allowed the confirmation of a number of Bush appointees to the courts. A few were still filibustered or not given votes at all, but most were confirmed. Yes, if they had just done away with filibusters then, we would have already seen Obamacare passed. The threat of filibuster has been the only Republican weapon against a Democrat president combined with strong Democrat control of Congress.


26 posted on 01/09/2010 10:05:20 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight

I agree. Eight more senators is ridiculous. It will with some of the legislative machinations and gerrymandering put some Dems in office.

Secession is the preferable response.


27 posted on 01/09/2010 10:06:37 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Steelfish
It takes a two-thirds vote in the Senate to change the rules. That's 67 Senators. If they can barely get 60 for a filibuster-proof Senate, where are they going to get 67 to change the Senate rules?

-PJ

28 posted on 01/09/2010 10:12:50 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: 2banana; Steelfish
Democrats are funny - they never think the laws they enact will EVER BE USED AGAINST THEM...
The same can be said for Republicans. When the GOP had a majority in the Senate, they almost used the "Nuclear Option" to break some filibusters by the Dems.
29 posted on 01/09/2010 10:32:59 PM PST by SmithL (SARCHASM: The gulf between the maker of sarcastic wit and the person who just doesn't get it.)
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To: Steelfish

I thought the Founders said that the majority couldn’t rule.


30 posted on 01/09/2010 10:40:46 PM PST by wastedyears (If I'm going out, I'm going out like Major Kong.)
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To: Steelfish

They have always wanted one party rule. Why do think people keep calling them commies?


31 posted on 01/09/2010 10:42:37 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: Steelfish

Where’s the clip of Chuckie Schumer explaining how the Senate is the “saucer that cools the coffee”


32 posted on 01/09/2010 10:51:23 PM PST by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Steelfish

bookmark.


33 posted on 01/09/2010 11:16:28 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Lou Budvis
Let’em change. It will make it that much easier for President Palin to ram through her agenda in 2013.

don't you get it? that will never happen because they will just want to go back to the 60-vote rule, and the GOP--who would be in charge--will cave in to "them."

34 posted on 01/09/2010 11:20:47 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Aroostook25

Texas will never, ever avail itself of its right to split. If you think they will, you don’t know Texans.


35 posted on 01/09/2010 11:30:39 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (PETRAEUS IN 2012 ..... PETRAEUS IN 2012 ..... PETRAEUS IN 2012!)
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To: 2banana

No mention, of course, of the eight years the Democrats tried to stall everything the Republicans sought to do, especially when it came to judges. Some Bush nominees were delayed 5-6 years by an obstructionist Democrat Party. But, somehow, such history vanishes from the liberal mind and they can only remember what was done to them, totally forgetful of who first used the procedure or how often their party engaged in the same stalling tactics.


36 posted on 01/09/2010 11:32:49 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Lou Budvis
Let’em change. It will make it that much easier for President Palin to ram through her agenda in 2013.

Of course by them they will inform us that the filibuster is an honored American tradition, and they will produce eminent law professors who go on CNN and insist that the filibuster is part of the Constitution.

If you could boil down all of Saul Alinsky--the guiding spirit of the modern Democrat party--into one sentence, it would be: Have no shame about anything, ever.

37 posted on 01/09/2010 11:34:56 PM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight

Ditto. But that doesn’t mean we can’t split into five states AFTER we secede.


38 posted on 01/09/2010 11:38:39 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Steelfish

This is fantastic for the dems. They’ll have easy power and they know Republicans are too cowardly to fight back for the Republic, let alone undo anything that they have forced into place.

It’s perfect for them.


39 posted on 01/09/2010 11:55:12 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: OrangeHoof

Why would you want to split? Texas is awesome. :)


40 posted on 01/09/2010 11:55:42 PM PST by BenKenobi (;)
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