BURNIN' DOWN THE TENT!!!
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Posted on 01/08/2010 6:18:55 AM PST by MestaMachine
BURNIN' DOWN THE TENT!!!
Do we want action? Yes, we do!!!
Are we willing to take a giant step forward and create a central action site that allows us to see at a glance every single state’s candidates for national office, House and Senate, to separate the wheat from the chaff? That is our hope. We want to spend our money, our time, and our votes wisely. Our time is JUST as valuable as the money we spend.
The goal is to take back and take over the GOP, or move it out of the way, and elect conservatives to every office we can affect whether the RNC likes it or not.
To do this, we need a clearinghouse and a plan of action that encompasses all 50 states in ONE place. That place is Free Republic. THIS is where we nationalize the 2010 election cycle and choose where our money and our time is spent. The genius of Free Republic is that it already has the 50 state message boards. We don’t have to “google” our way through hundreds of candidates in individual states to find out who is who doing what. It’s already here, just not out in the public eye. This will change that.
I, and others, have repeatedly asked Freepers to present workable ideas with this goal in mind, and there have been many, but the two I am going to post here are comprehensive, have been well thought out over a long period of time, and the magic of it is that it has never been tried before...and THAT is precisely why it will work.
Freeper blueyon, (the originator of RINO FREE AMERICA PROJECT on FaceBook,) and I have worked on the idea to have each state message board create individual STATE BY STATE threads on the forum which presents information ONLY about their national congressional candidates.
We need their candidates’ names, pictures, platforms, voting records, (if applicable,) backgrounds, opinions, newslinks, statements, and whatever other information might be available including links to candidate’s’ websites if they exist.
The state message boards are full of much of this information and no one knows local politics like the locals. It’s time to make local politics national, and here is where we do it. Fifty states, fifty threads, ALL politics will be Free Republic Local politics.
Freepers have the best researchers in the business. We need that right here, right now if we are going to burn down the RINO tent and do it effectively. They will NOT be allowed to silence us again.
Those threads will be information only. Conservative candidates will be flagged and RINOs will be tagged. Anyone who wishes to debate or discuss individual candidates can start a separate thread for that here, AND/OR on the RINO FREE discussion board on FaceBook as well.
I expect these threads to become lengthy, so be sure to add the state and candidate's name as keywords.
The SECOND part of this plan is a NATIONAL strategy for accomplishing our goal once we have singled out the candidates we choose to support and gather THOSE candidates on to ONE thread. It is our intent to coordinate efforts with the National Tea Party Movement and have them link to our information as well as share whatever info they might have that we don’t...although I find that next to impossible knowing Freepers. There just might be tidbits of inside information we might not have access to, so contributions from outside Freeperdom will be researched by us FOR us and we will do well not to post rumor or inuendo if we have no proof.
The National Action plan is the sole hard work of a longtime Freeper who has asked to remain anonymous. It is his work and since he first sent it to me, he has updated it several times for the better. I neither take, nor deserve, any credit for it whatsover, and only on that basis did I accept the invitation to present it as I saw fit.
I have opted to make only the smallest changes to his ideas as they seem to me to be the stepstones of the future. However he did specifically ask that any constructive criticisms or additional ideas be sought and wants it known that this is a foundation we can build on. He has added reasons, including some from Scripture, for these ideas which are included in the body of information presented below. Many of you will find them relevant. Those who don’t will still find the ideas themselves worth your time. I am awed by the effort put forth here which is why I have left it pretty much in tact with minimal edits. I think you will be as well.
With that said, and without further adieu, continue on and see what ideas suit you best.
So true.
Stay focused. We all know the goal is to take back our country from these common thugs.
Correction: In England they are going after the Catholic Church because they refuse to allow women to be priests.
In fact while you are clamoring to give the government MORE power
Foolish statement. It is up to the government to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic.
It is not a religion. Islam is a form of government.
Correction: Only the foolish will let them use our own Constitution against us.
Muslims exercised their freedom of religion (government) on 9/11. How’d that work?
“You know, I find it stunning that you insist on citing scripture to accomodate evil.”
What I find stunning is ones inability to read a simple statement.
“The Exodus cites (short for citations) Exodus 1:17, Exodus 2:2 were before Israel was a nation and had any regulations as a nation.”
All the rest of your post did not contradict the statement that before Exodus 1:17, Exodus 2:2 Israel was not a nation.
“You see this but you do not understand it. You willingly allow evil to exist in your midst. You capitulate, and each time you do this, you imperil your own soul and you drag the world with you.”
You don’t know what you are talking about. I will repeat what I said; maybe the second time you will understand, “The only grassroots that can accomplish this is grounded in (2 Cor. 10:3-5)”For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ” and the Great Commission, “go and make disciples...!”
You are insufferably arrogant. Before Exodus, there was Genesis. GOD began laying out the laws and regulations for THE Nation which was eventually called HaIvri, the root for HEBREWS, The People, the first millisecond GOD commanded Abraham to gather his family and sojourn to a land GOD promised to him.
The first order of business was the circumcision. The circumcision was to bind them as a people under HaShem, ONE NATION UNDER ONE GOD.
I could quote you passage after passage that shows your ignorance, but here is ONE. Very simple. Read it and go back and get your Bible straight.
Genesis 26
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because that Abraham hearkened to My voice, and kept *My charge, *My commandments, *My statutes, *and My laws.’
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MY CHARGE. MY COMMANDMENTS. MY STATUTES. AND MY LAWS.
You were saying?
You said, “So if my religion preaches that Income Tax should be abolished and replaced by some other form of taxation, should the Govenment then have the right to come along and close down my church and declare my religion to be subversive and to prevent me for declaring my doctrine from the pulpits or to deny me and my fellow religionists the right to peacefully assemble or to work to change the Constitution to meet our idea of Utopia????? Well that is what is being proposed on this thread.”
This is a red-herring. The issue is not something as benign as a difference in opinion on taxes. The issue is, Islamic majorities subjugate and violate and desecrate minorities.
You said, “I will end with a parting verse of scripture: Ephesisans 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Don’t trust the Government to fight your spiritual battles.”
Amen. But even Paul asked for prayer that he would preach the Gospel boldly. If you think you’re supposed to stay in your prayer closet, and never give legs to your faith, and never speak out about anything, you’re mistaken.
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17
For someone who quotes scripture, you argue in bad faith. Let me see some responses to my nine questions in posts 76 and 77 before any more sanctimonious Bible quoting comes from you. You still have not addressed the nine points I made in posts 76 and 77, because if you begin to address any one of them, you would be instantly exposed as spouting nonsense.
For your benefit, I will list them all, along with my new ones:
1) Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill? When you Google for “Taqiyya” you get results like this: http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
2) Would you rather “legitimately cry foul” or would you rather negotiate for reciprocity once you have leverage? Right now, we have no leverage, and Christianity is suppressed there, and Islam is promoted here, and the Muslims think we are stupid, and actively exploit this oversight. Why would they voluntarily stop oppressing Christians and Jews sometime in the future if they have not until now?
3) John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill as commanded in the Qur’an?
4) According to this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html the British government deliberately wanted to transform England into a multicultural society. If it is happening there, don’t you think it is at least possible the same deliberate sabotage is happening here?
5) Have you seen this article? http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-takeover-of-west-how-it-works.html It describes how Muslim evil behavior exponentially increases against their linear increase in population. What do you think of them? Given we have done nothing so far, and the situation continues to worsen, how do we effectively respond beyond “legitimately cry foul” which we do, but has had zero *results* so far?
6) Jesus said “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” in . Might letting the Muslims come here, and proselytize and breed until they reach sufficient numbers per http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-muslim-takeover-of-america/ to take over, perhaps doing so is “casting pearls before swine”? If not, why not? How do you apply in real life?
7) Given government is ordained by God in Romans 13 to punish evil, why let Muslims into this country in the first place, given the extremists are given to mass murder, and the “moderates” never condemn it? How is American society edified by having such people?
8) Seen these pictures? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2424261/posts?page=11#11
9) Seen this quote? “Please pay attention to my statement: I have decided to fight Islam. Not the political Islam. Not the militant Islam. Not the radical Islam. Not the Wahhabi Islam. But Islam itself. I truly believe that the West has invented these terms for the sake of being ‘politically correct’... Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem.” It is sourced at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Sultan
10) NEW - Why did you post a list of Bible verses in post 75 that is only used by atheists to paint the Bible as absurd and out-of-date?
11) NEW - When the crusades expelled Islam from Europe, did they JUST pray, or did they use force? You realize had it not been for the crusades, we’d all be Muslims. Why can’t political force be used?
12) NEW - When a robber/rapist shows up to your house, do you pray and then evangelize, or do you call 911? The rapist/robber is in America, and it is called Islam.
13) NEW - Even Paul invoked his rights as a Roman citizen in Acts 22:25 so why are you defending Islam by saying we should not use our rights as citizens instead be Christian, and yet you are unable to “give answers” for all the aforementioned?
14) NEW - Why have you engaged in evasive handwaving and spoken red-herrings? Totally uncalled for, after I went out of my way to be polite to you. You are a Christian? You expect me to take your Christianity seriously at all?
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17
15) NEW - In your post 156, you say “I personally believe that Islam is Satanic and potentially dangerous from many fronts. Nevertheless, Islam is considered a valid religion”. Explain this contradiction. Given James 1:27 says, “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.” how is it that you advocate for Islam as a religion, when they are known for subjugation, violation, and desecration? Is Christ the only way?
16) NEW - Given Islam aims to replace the Constitution, and the Constitution speaks of the crime of treason, why do you keep spouting red-herrings in post 156 about the government not having the “right to outlaw it”?
17) NEW - You said, “The First Amendement is a guarantee of our unalienable right to freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly. The proposals on this thread to effectively outlaw the rights of Muslims to practice their religion, to speak freely about their beliefs and the assemble together at a place of their own choosing is, in fact, as UNAMERICAN as the beliefs that the Muslims have that they should someday overturn the Constitution and Install Sharia Law.” The fact that they assemble to deny us out rights does not trouble you? Again, it’s treason given the subjugation, violation, and desecration coming down the pipeline. Just see http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-takeover-of-west-how-it-works.html
18) NEW - 2 Corinthians 6:5 Paul speaks of “watchings”. He was watching for people coming to hurt him. His prayers were not enough?
19) NEW - Have you read Gary Demar’s “Myths Lies & Half-Truths” http://www.amazon.com/Myths-Lies-Half-Truths-Misreading-Neutralizes/dp/0915815451/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263155003&sr=8-2. The subtitle is, “How Misreading the Bible Neutralizes Christians”. Is it possible you have something to learn from it?
“The only grassroots that can accomplish this is grounded in (2 Cor. 10:3-5)”For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ” and the Great Commission, “go and make disciples...!”
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Blue-duncan -
I aksed these questions of P-Marlowe, and since you cloak your handwaving in Christian rhetoric, I will ask you some of them also:
12) NEW - When a robber/rapist shows up to your house, do you pray and then evangelize, or do you call 911? The rapist/robber is in America, and it is called Islam.
13) NEW - Even Paul invoked his rights as a Roman citizen in Acts 22:25 to avoid a beating, so why are you defending Islam by saying we should not use our rights as citizens to avoid future harm?
18) NEW - 2 Corinthians 6:5 Paul speaks of “watchings”. He was watching for people coming to hurt him. His prayers were not enough?
19) NEW - Have you read Gary Demar’s “Myths Lies & Half-Truths” http://www.amazon.com/Myths-Lies-Half-Truths-Misreading-Neutralizes/dp/0915815451/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263155003&sr=8-2. The subtitle is, “How Misreading the Bible Neutralizes Christians”. Is it possible you have something to learn from it?
- ROTB
Mistype on #13:
13) NEW - Even Paul invoked his rights as a Roman citizen in Acts 22:25 to avoid a beating, so why are you defending Islam by saying we should not use our rights as citizens to avoid future harm?
Thank you for your reply. I can only say this, if we as a nation give the government the right to determine which religions are valid and which religions they will allow to be shut down or silenced then we can be assured that the preaching of the gospel of Christ will soon be on the list of banned religious practices and that fundamentalist Christianity will be one of the first targets of the state, followed by evangelical Christanity and followed thereafter by all denominations that preach the Supremacy of Christ.
If you decide to travel this road by giving the state the power to declare Islam an invalid religion or give the State the power to shut it down or stop it’s outreach, then you can kiss your own first amendment rights goodbye.
Blessings
Marlowe
“The circumcision was to bind them as a people under HaShem, ONE NATION UNDER ONE GOD.”
Really, so Ishmael is a member of the nation of Israel?
Let me quote a verse from Genesis for your edification. Genesis 46:3, “And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:”
Notice where God says they will become a nation. When Israel went into Egypt they were a family of sixty-six (Gen. 46:27). While in Egypt they were a people and became a nation (Deut. 26:5).
If a group worships Moloch, are you ok with that? Freedom of religion and all.
Nope. Ishmael was born of an Egyptian mother. Don’t you know nothing? Hebrews are matrilneal. Your father could be a baptist minister, but if mama is a Hebrew, you are Hebrew by birth.
Such is the legacy of Sarah.
As long as they worship in a manner that does not violate the laws that apply to all people and all religions, then they have a constitutional right to believe whatever demonic nonsense they want to believe.
Are you willing to suffer a witch to live?
I agree.
If the power to regulate religion were granted, orthodox Christianity (be it Protestantism, Catholicism or Orthodoxy) would be the FIRST to go. We would have some sort of "American Christian Church" along the lines of what the Chicoms have and it would be Rev. Wright style socialist humanism.
Genesis 25
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And HaShem said unto her: Two *nations* are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; *and the elder shall serve the younger.*
That would be Rebekah, Isaac’s wife. Because the Covenant was passed to Isaac.
The younger would be Jacob. A nation. Esau and Jacob were brothers, but the Covenant passed to Jacob, and Esau begat a nation of his own. TWO nations, but only ONE under the Covenant. Yes, Esau was Hebrew, but to spite his parents, he wed a non-Hebrew woman, so his offspring were NOT Hebrew.
Keep it coming.
You are trying to separate Islam the religion and islam the government. They are the same.
The Founders would not allow a theocracy to flourish that was trying to use the Constitution to subvert our government. There were NO muslims that created our government. There were NO buddhists that created our government. There were NO hindus that created our government. This nation was built on Judeo-Christian values. Freedom of religion meant that you could be a Quaker, Presbyterian, Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic etc. The Founders would NOT allow an outside group to subvert and pervert the Constitution. The very thing YOU are trying to do.
"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." John Adams
Wagglebee, if any of those churches preached the violent overthrow of the government, or called for the murders of anyone who disagreed with them, who instructed its men to rape women not of their faith, that would be sedition and incitement. Hence they do not do that. islam does. Every day and in every way.
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