You said, “So if my religion preaches that Income Tax should be abolished and replaced by some other form of taxation, should the Govenment then have the right to come along and close down my church and declare my religion to be subversive and to prevent me for declaring my doctrine from the pulpits or to deny me and my fellow religionists the right to peacefully assemble or to work to change the Constitution to meet our idea of Utopia????? Well that is what is being proposed on this thread.”
This is a red-herring. The issue is not something as benign as a difference in opinion on taxes. The issue is, Islamic majorities subjugate and violate and desecrate minorities.
You said, “I will end with a parting verse of scripture: Ephesisans 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Don’t trust the Government to fight your spiritual battles.”
Amen. But even Paul asked for prayer that he would preach the Gospel boldly. If you think you’re supposed to stay in your prayer closet, and never give legs to your faith, and never speak out about anything, you’re mistaken.
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17
For someone who quotes scripture, you argue in bad faith. Let me see some responses to my nine questions in posts 76 and 77 before any more sanctimonious Bible quoting comes from you. You still have not addressed the nine points I made in posts 76 and 77, because if you begin to address any one of them, you would be instantly exposed as spouting nonsense.
For your benefit, I will list them all, along with my new ones:
1) Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill? When you Google for “Taqiyya” you get results like this: http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
2) Would you rather “legitimately cry foul” or would you rather negotiate for reciprocity once you have leverage? Right now, we have no leverage, and Christianity is suppressed there, and Islam is promoted here, and the Muslims think we are stupid, and actively exploit this oversight. Why would they voluntarily stop oppressing Christians and Jews sometime in the future if they have not until now?
3) John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill as commanded in the Qur’an?
4) According to this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html the British government deliberately wanted to transform England into a multicultural society. If it is happening there, don’t you think it is at least possible the same deliberate sabotage is happening here?
5) Have you seen this article? http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-takeover-of-west-how-it-works.html It describes how Muslim evil behavior exponentially increases against their linear increase in population. What do you think of them? Given we have done nothing so far, and the situation continues to worsen, how do we effectively respond beyond “legitimately cry foul” which we do, but has had zero *results* so far?
6) Jesus said “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” in . Might letting the Muslims come here, and proselytize and breed until they reach sufficient numbers per http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-muslim-takeover-of-america/ to take over, perhaps doing so is “casting pearls before swine”? If not, why not? How do you apply in real life?
7) Given government is ordained by God in Romans 13 to punish evil, why let Muslims into this country in the first place, given the extremists are given to mass murder, and the “moderates” never condemn it? How is American society edified by having such people?
8) Seen these pictures? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2424261/posts?page=11#11
9) Seen this quote? “Please pay attention to my statement: I have decided to fight Islam. Not the political Islam. Not the militant Islam. Not the radical Islam. Not the Wahhabi Islam. But Islam itself. I truly believe that the West has invented these terms for the sake of being ‘politically correct’... Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem.” It is sourced at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Sultan
10) NEW - Why did you post a list of Bible verses in post 75 that is only used by atheists to paint the Bible as absurd and out-of-date?
11) NEW - When the crusades expelled Islam from Europe, did they JUST pray, or did they use force? You realize had it not been for the crusades, we’d all be Muslims. Why can’t political force be used?
12) NEW - When a robber/rapist shows up to your house, do you pray and then evangelize, or do you call 911? The rapist/robber is in America, and it is called Islam.
13) NEW - Even Paul invoked his rights as a Roman citizen in Acts 22:25 so why are you defending Islam by saying we should not use our rights as citizens instead be Christian, and yet you are unable to “give answers” for all the aforementioned?
14) NEW - Why have you engaged in evasive handwaving and spoken red-herrings? Totally uncalled for, after I went out of my way to be polite to you. You are a Christian? You expect me to take your Christianity seriously at all?
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17
15) NEW - In your post 156, you say “I personally believe that Islam is Satanic and potentially dangerous from many fronts. Nevertheless, Islam is considered a valid religion”. Explain this contradiction. Given James 1:27 says, “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.” how is it that you advocate for Islam as a religion, when they are known for subjugation, violation, and desecration? Is Christ the only way?
16) NEW - Given Islam aims to replace the Constitution, and the Constitution speaks of the crime of treason, why do you keep spouting red-herrings in post 156 about the government not having the “right to outlaw it”?
17) NEW - You said, “The First Amendement is a guarantee of our unalienable right to freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly. The proposals on this thread to effectively outlaw the rights of Muslims to practice their religion, to speak freely about their beliefs and the assemble together at a place of their own choosing is, in fact, as UNAMERICAN as the beliefs that the Muslims have that they should someday overturn the Constitution and Install Sharia Law.” The fact that they assemble to deny us out rights does not trouble you? Again, it’s treason given the subjugation, violation, and desecration coming down the pipeline. Just see http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-takeover-of-west-how-it-works.html
18) NEW - 2 Corinthians 6:5 Paul speaks of “watchings”. He was watching for people coming to hurt him. His prayers were not enough?
19) NEW - Have you read Gary Demar’s “Myths Lies & Half-Truths” http://www.amazon.com/Myths-Lies-Half-Truths-Misreading-Neutralizes/dp/0915815451/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263155003&sr=8-2. The subtitle is, “How Misreading the Bible Neutralizes Christians”. Is it possible you have something to learn from it?
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13) NEW - Even Paul invoked his rights as a Roman citizen in Acts 22:25 to avoid a beating, so why are you defending Islam by saying we should not use our rights as citizens to avoid future harm?
Thank you for your reply. I can only say this, if we as a nation give the government the right to determine which religions are valid and which religions they will allow to be shut down or silenced then we can be assured that the preaching of the gospel of Christ will soon be on the list of banned religious practices and that fundamentalist Christianity will be one of the first targets of the state, followed by evangelical Christanity and followed thereafter by all denominations that preach the Supremacy of Christ.
If you decide to travel this road by giving the state the power to declare Islam an invalid religion or give the State the power to shut it down or stop it’s outreach, then you can kiss your own first amendment rights goodbye.
Blessings
Marlowe