Posted on 01/01/2010 1:45:09 PM PST by TitansAFC
He said people needed to change how they live their lives and called for "ecological responsibility" to be taught in schools.....
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
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Conservation and conservatism share the same root word. If you think the simple and painless act of recycling is some form of pantheism, then you are cracked.
One also hears it, all to often, from middle-aged Roman Catholics and "crunchy-cons."
Unfortunately.
I’ll bite. Cracked or not, do you think Jesus would have wasted one sermon on saving the human soul vs. saving the planet from man-made pollutants? Environmentalism is one thing, religion is another.
Being a Christian does not stop at the church door. Stewardship of God’s creation is just one of those many ways in which it doesn’t stop.
I see your point very well, but I think the global warming scam has got me a little twitchy on the subject of environmentalism. I don’t think the planet needs “saving”, and “going green” sounds a little too devotional. I avoid polluting on my own, but does not recycling a sin? Herein lies a danger: confusing religion with temporal dilemmas which have nothing to do with one another.
No thanks
And herein lies the problem. I seriously doubt the Pope used populist rhetoric like “saving” the planet and “going green.” The press spins this and we feed off of their spin.
B16 must be surrounded by gaia worshippers.
Well it’s converted from Italian of course :)
When the Pope goes outside of his bailiwick, it is the duty of Catholics to examine what he says with filial piety, with seriousness, and with an intention to conform as much as conscience, etc will allow, BUT specific suggestions about specific courses of action may properly be disagreed with.
I am all over care for the environment and for good teaching about such responsibility. I haven't found the original of what the Holy Father said in this instance, though I have read several of his other works, and I have no quarrel with what Popes have been saying since De Rerum Novarum about socialism and Marxism. In fact, I'm a little surprised that socialism and Marxism came up in your rebuke of me.
BTW Norman I sort of half-retracted my original statement in post #50, if you want to look.
Links to the English translation were provided in posts #55 and #56. It's not too long -- about 6 pages of text when printed.
So how was the wine???
Pro-homosexuality? What do you mean? I know they pray for homosexuals, but they’re not pro-homosexuality as far as I’ve seen! It seems to me that Benedict 16, long before he was the Pope, disciplined a priest and a nun for being to lenient in working with gays in California!
I don’t remember when it was, maybe 10-12 years ago. He felt they were getting too lenient with them, and called them on it. I remember some gay group was crabbing about him at the time. It seems that they take a love the sinner-hate the sin position in dealing with gay people.
Is the Pope a global warmist, or is this run of the mill ecological stewardship stuff.
The reason I brought up socialism and Marxism is because that is the most common misconception that people have about Christianity— especially that Catholicism embraces Marxism and hates Capitalism. Take Michael Moore, for instance, and his propaganda.
The Pope is concerned with the souls of man and morality. It is immoral to pollute the earth and injure animals and create a land that would not sustain future generations. Since the earth is essential for the survival of man, how could that be out of his bailiwick? Although man has dominion over the earth, the Pope’s point is that with that we also have an obligation and responsibility. There actually is nothing controversial about the Pope’s views in a sane world with rational people.
True, specifics can be disputed, and, indeed, the search for Truth in ongoing and never ending. There are absolutes, though, underscored by Natural Law, that are fundamental to the Catholic Church that can never change.
Science, though, is always changing and I am sure that the Pope understands the science behind cloning, abortions, ecology, euthanasia, etc., all which have moral aspects which the Church can not ignore. To base a Catholic opinion on the reigning science of the day will happen since all Catholics unable to study or understand prevailing science will need guidance on the morality of the situations. I am sure the Pope understands the human fallibility and the immorality of man who use “science” to try and control people’s productivity, manipulate human emotions, and endeavor to enslave and destroy man’s soul.
I just have found the Pope’s thinking to be profound and clear and I have never disagreed with anything he has written so far (not that I have read everything). He certainly has put many years into critical thinking, time that I will never have nor will I have the inclination to do. Most people do not have the time nor resources to reflect on life and God the way the Pope has had.
Since Classical education has been dumped by most educational institutions, most people with their post modern German thinking are not even worth listening to—their moral relativism goes against Natural Law and God’s Laws and the Constitution of this country.
In his address, called "If You Want to Cultivate Peace, Protect Creation," the pope said peace with the natural environment is the beginning of peace with all of God's creation, including people.
"Respect for creation is of immense consequence, not least because creation is the beginning and the foundation of all God's works, and its preservation has now become essential for the pacific coexistence of mankind," the pope said.
INDEED.
I thought pro-homosexuality was too strong a term. Maybe too tolerant of it is what I meant. There are in fact Catholics that I know who think homosexuality is OK because the church is too afraid to say it’s wrong. Or maybe their pastors don’t believe it is, I don’t know. Love the sinner, as you say, but to tolerate the sin is not the function of the church. Where do you think all those pedophile priests came from? Over 90% of them are gay.
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