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Sarah Palin told 'biggest lie of the year'
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 21 Dec 2009 | Paul Thompson

Posted on 12/23/2009 7:43:52 PM PST by Thirteen

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To: Thirteen
Walz votes for stimulus bill
We received this statement from Walz’s congressional office

http://www.bluestemprairie.com/a_bluestem_prairie/2009/01/walz-votes-for-stimulus-bill.html

This legislation will create and save 3 to 4 million jobs, rebuilding America, making us more globally competitive and energy independent, and transforming our economy for long-term growth; give 95% of American workers an immediate tax cut; and invest quickly in the economy – with 75% spent in the first 18 months.

“Experts say more than 90 percent of the jobs created will be in the private sector.” added Walz.

41 posted on 12/23/2009 8:23:14 PM PST by Son House (The Learning Curve for Democrats on Macroeconomics is getting Exponential)
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To: Thirteen

Does anyone still believe anything that the MSM or the liberal press writes? Better yet, does anyone even read this manure? Minitrue and Doublespeak are meant only to mislead and to deceive the Proles. Believe nothing that you read online or in the papers unless you can verify it from sources that you trust.


42 posted on 12/23/2009 8:24:01 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Thirteen

Where do we start. Obama lies everytime he opens his mouth.


43 posted on 12/23/2009 8:27:45 PM PST by mia
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To: Thirteen
A panel of experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to ...

I suppose that the word hasn't gotten around, but when this phrase is used in a "news" report, without identifying the members of the "panel", it renders whatever follows insignificant.

The fools and criminals describing themselves as "experts" these days is too high to count.

Why the "press" insists on foisting this useless rhetorical device as news, I have no idea,

44 posted on 12/23/2009 8:29:44 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: mia
Obama lies everytime he opens his mouth.

How can you tell Barry is lying his ass off? His mouth is moving...


45 posted on 12/23/2009 8:30:52 PM PST by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: Thirteen

Just because the legislation didn’t actually use the TERM “death panels”, doesn’t mean they are not part of it. Any time a beurocrat or committee of such make life or death decisions about what treatments are “cost effective”, and decide if I have had enough of a “useful life”, I think deserves the title of “Death Panel”...


46 posted on 12/23/2009 8:31:30 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: savedbygrace
A panel of experts on lying? That could be any congressional or Senate committee.

Well, there can be no debate that most congressional 'leaders" and spokespersons are experts at lying.

However, how that makes their judgement of others reliable can certainly be the subject of debate.

47 posted on 12/23/2009 8:35:58 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Thirteen

Even bigger than the Global Warming lie that will soon enslave us all?


48 posted on 12/23/2009 8:49:30 PM PST by RatsDawg
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To: PeteB570
If a person needs a medical procedure to prolong life and a bureaucrat says no - Well, I'd call that a Death Panel.

We already have them, we just reserve them for veterans. I learned today that a close relative, Vietnam Vet and cancer patient, was denied the ability to have oxygen at home as he was discharged...because they say he doesn't need it as long as he's sitting still.

This to a dude who's lungs were collapsed when he hit the (non-VA) ER 10 days ago. He had to be intubated, sedated and on a respirator for a week. By law the private hospital physician cannot provide it to him, so he had him transferred to the V.A. praying that someone would take rational advice and prescribe it for him. Otherwise he would have had to send him home without it.

Perhaps Sarah should visit some V.A. hospitals.

49 posted on 12/23/2009 8:54:11 PM PST by sayfer bullets ("...and if it stops moving, subsidize it." - RR)
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50 posted on 12/23/2009 8:56:04 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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“Orwell was issuing a warning, and perhaps a prediction, but not a desire.”

I’m well aware of that. He did warn us about “Newspeak”, of which this article is a fine example.


51 posted on 12/23/2009 8:58:31 PM PST by devere
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To: Thirteen

1. On Saturday, I posted this:

http://24ahead.com/politifact-lie-year-misleads-angie-drobnic-holan-sarah-palin

2. On Monday, I posted a comment here linking to that page and, in response to someone who said this story was a nothingburger pointed out that stories like this do get spread all around the internet and do have an impact. “Just ignore it and it will go away” is usually very bad advice.

3. Now, today, we see the story spreading to the UK after bouncing around all the corners of the internet in the U.S. today and yesterday.

4. This post gives a perfectly good link to Politifact, helping their search engine position.

5. Meanwhile, no one except for me is linking to my page above, when doing so could help it rise in search results and could help counter-act what PFact is trying to do.

People need to learn how to fight back *effectively* against things like this rather than doing things that aren’t effective or just letting things happen.


52 posted on 12/23/2009 9:00:24 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
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After screaming Palin lied! Palin lied! Pants on fire! Pants on file! the newspaper employees calmed down a little.

Here's some of the actual text that appeared at the very end of the newspaper employees' "The Truth-O-Meter Says" harangue: "Conservatives might make a case that Palin is justified in fearing that the current reform could one day morph into such a board. But that's not what Palin said. She said that the Democratic plan will ration care . . . ."

The current reform will one day morph into total government control. Ain't that the Rat Party (formerly the traditional Democratic Party) plan? This is the "starter home."

Still there are those comments by Daschle saying that seniors just got to get used to not getting unlimited care and who could forget Democrat Richard Lamm, "seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way" -- later modified to say "seriously ill people of all ages" have a duty to die and get out of the way.

Looking at these newspaper employees' feeeeeeeeeeeeelings it appears the 98+ percent of all lies originate with people with whom they disagree politically. Interesting.

53 posted on 12/23/2009 9:06:56 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Sarah Palin and Death Panels: A Brief History

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/12/sarah_palin_and_death_panels_a.asp

It is perfectly clear that Palin is talking about rationing in general. She specifically made an argument about the government’s refusing to pay the cost of health care will lead to rationing care, and she also wrote that her “baby with Down Syndrome” could be affected by such rationing. How would “end-of-life counseling” for the elderly cause the death of a disabled baby?

As Ben Smith notes, Palin’s spokesperson did cite the end-of-life counseling provision as a specific example of rationing in the bill. But that was just one example, which, Palin argued could put pressure on the elderly.


54 posted on 12/23/2009 9:33:50 PM PST by SmartInsight (Dems in power are a clear and present danger to our freedom and the survival of our nation.)
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To: Thirteen

Nonsense. Rationed health care in effect will operate as potential death panels, and it is not difficult to see and understand this truth.


55 posted on 12/23/2009 10:08:52 PM PST by Countyline (God loves you ... He wants you to love Him back; to learn of Him and obey His commands.)
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A panel of experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to introduce "death panels"

I suppose the irony of this was lost on them.

56 posted on 12/23/2009 10:13:37 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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You have to be a moron not to realize bureaucrats are going to decide who gets care and what kind of care and who doesn’t. In short, life and death decisions all at the hands of some faceless bureaucrat protecting his or her turf. A death panel is an accurate description.


57 posted on 12/23/2009 10:22:50 PM PST by DB
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To: bwc2221

Now that is the Truth!


58 posted on 12/23/2009 10:28:28 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Trusting God is a full time job, He is on duty 24/7 .)
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To: Nosterrex
Does anyone still believe anything that the MSM or the liberal press writes? Better yet, does anyone even read this manure? Minitrue and Doublespeak are meant only to mislead and to deceive the Proles. Believe nothing that you read online or in the papers unless you can verify it from sources that you trust.

We just don't watch anymore. I programmed and removed MSNBC and CNN from my TV so we don't see either when channel surfing. We don't subscribe to our local paper anymore either.

It's a sad state of affairs because one day we might need multiple media sources. When the population watches "news" and perceives or suspects an agenda, those news organizations become as respected as the grocery store rags at the checkout line. Worthless.

I would be embarrassed if my profession was journalism and I was seen as a member of "Pravda" or the gossip messenger.
59 posted on 12/23/2009 10:39:16 PM PST by FL911
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Well gee, if she lied thn why did the Libs immediately come out and publically state they were REMOVING that part of the from their reform legislation.

"August 14, 2009|Christi Parsons and Andrew Zajac WASHINGTON —

A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels,"

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/14/nation/na-health-end-of-life14

60 posted on 12/24/2009 2:32:16 AM PST by 101voodoo
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