Posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385
I never will forget meeting former North Carolina State Senator Hugh Webster my senior year of high school. He came to my school and had lunch with the seniors. As he sat down beside me, I asked him to tell me what he most loved and hated about being in Raleigh. I don't remember what he most loved, but I'll never forget what he most hated. In the words of Mr. Webster, "I don't deal well with incompetent people."
At that point, I knew Mr. Webster and I were kindred spirits. I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.
If you are still reading (and not firing off angry emails), then allow me to offer you factual proof that Obama is a natural-born citizen who satisfies the constitutional requirements for Commander-in-Chief. My argument is two-fold: 1. Obama was born in Hawaii (a U.S. state for my incompetent readers). 2. Obama satisfies the requirements found in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which defines natural-born citizens.
1. Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii joined the Union in 1959. Barack Obama was born in 1961. Do the math. It works. Ok, so perhaps that argument is a bit over-simplified, but that is because I find the birth certificate question so ridiculous. The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic. "Big bad Obama must be hiding something. That certificate isn't the long form. What's he hiding?" What the naysayers fail to realize is that in 1961 the standard Hawaiian birth certificate was...wait for it...exactly the same length as Obama's! The Hawaiian Health Department has said this, but as conspiracy theorists point out, they must be covering for Obama. Despite the facts, folks say that even if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was Kenyan. However, even if Obama was born on the moon, he would still be a natural born citizen under the Immigration and Nationality Act.
2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.
Obama's citizenship will be determined under the 1952 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act since he was born in 1961 and the Act wasn't updated again until 1966. According to § 301(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (66 Stat. 235), "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person [is a natural born citizen]." According to § 305 of the same statute, any person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 was to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States, and his father was a citizen of Kenya. They were married six months before Obama was born. There is no doubt that Obama's mother resided in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama can't be anything other than a natural born citizen. Combine this detail with his birth in an American State, you have a certified natural born citizen.
Facts are stubborn things. They refuse to go away just because people disagree with them or wish they'd go away. The Birther Movement is a stubborn thing too. It refuses to go away even when proven wrong. It is appalling that the myth of Obama's non-citizenship is allowed to flourish given that a simple search in LexisNexis of "natural born citizen" pulled up all of the relevant case law and statutes. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand it! However, I learned a long time ago that most people are sheep — they'd rather regurgitate something they've heard rather than doing their own research. And the old adage is true: if you say something often enough, people will believe it. For once let's say the truth often enough and hope people believe it. Let's forget about conspiracy theories and focus on the real issue: Obama's policies. After all, I don't deal well with incompetent people.
© Jamie Freeze
Then just show us the birth certificate and shut us all up.
“Let me be the first to say that I personally believe that Obama is closer to the Muslim faith than he is to the Christian faith. I can tell you he is NOT a Christian!!! A Christian does not support the murder of God`s unborn children...”
A strict Muslim would not support abortion, either. 0 is not really religious, except in the sense that socialist ideology is am ersatz-religion.
0 = ZERO
Trained to be intelligent? Based on this one article I see a carer in politics for Jamie. How could someone so well trained in intelligence not offer there superiorly trained intelligence in the service of the poorly trained in being intelligent. I for one am grateful that highly trained law students continue to look out across the fruited plain and see nothing but semi-retarded hicks in desperate need of a master. I can only hope Jamie is attending an Ivy League school; they've done so well in providing quality leadership for this nation over the last 50 years.
Why spend hundreds of thousands if not millions to hide what is purported in the media to be valid?
Who on earth seals their birth record?
A man supposedly so well learned, hiding his college records....why? You'd think he'd be proud of his accomplishments.
It's all about the lack of transparency that creates an environment of secrecy and suspension.
If it is ever found out, even years from now, that Barry was NOT a NBO, there should be open revolt against the ones who conspired to break the law.
The people, ordinary American citizens, protecting the integrity of the constitution, should find these people and arrest them.
Make sure they are held accountable, otherwise the constitution will be a dead document.
Sounds harsh? It is our duty as American citizens to protect our birth rite in the event these politicians, lawmakers, courts also perpetuate the usurping of the constitution by simply not acting to protect her with all vigor.
Damn spell check.... ;)
How do we know it hasn't?
Seriously: I understand that there is doubt about that financial figure. It gets repeated a lot, but there may be no hard evidence that Obama has spent that kind of money. I know there have been numerous court cases, so SOMEBODY is spending SOME amount of money arguing against people like Orly Taitz.
But all of that doesn't really matter: the controversy goes away when Obama shows his birth certificate. He won't.
Why?
Personally, though I remain agnostic on the question of Obama's birthplace and citizenship, and I strongly suspect he's got something to hide on that score, I fear it's a dead issue. At this point we could produce an 8mm home movie of the Zero being born under a Nairobi street sign and the government would simply go on as usual.
“As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent.”
LOL. How does one become trained to be intelligent? I used to pull law students over from time to time. It was always a laugher as they tried to be assholes, and play Perry Mason roadside.
A friend of mine was a criminal defense lawyer, and one of the many wise things that he said was all that it took to be an attorney was money and time.
The title of his lecture was "Who's Your Daddy?" and it was to be about the muddled business of black paternity and how it's perceived within the black community.
Curious timing.
Prove it!
“All we know about this putz is someone posted “online” (as if that is hard evidence) a copy of a COLB - which wouldn’t even get any of us a passport.”
That wouldn’t get you past the dragon at the door of a S.C. DMV office, never mind a license.
I'm pretty sure that a Muslim would fully support any non-Muslim who wanted to murder their own children. Americans are overwhelmingly non-Muslim. I think any Muslim would be thrilled that Roe v Wade is the law of the land.
Of course, any Muslim would expect Muslims in the US to personally abstain from abortion. But that's quite a separate issue.
That is the real question isn’t it. Maybe he wasn’t as smart as we have been led to believe and maybe just maybe his thesis material was just a little marxist. Ya think?
While I am no Birther and believe that Obama is constitutionally eligible (until someone shows me evidence otherwise), this piece does a really crappy job of addressing the relevant issues.
Are you going to be unhappy when your federal taxes double?
Do you think other people will be, too?
The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic.
The whole argument hinges on this tidbit right here. And as far as I know, it is false. We have not seen the long-form birth certificate and so we cannot say if Obama was, or was not born in Hawaii.
The question being asked (”Is he a natural born citizen?”) is a perfectly legitimate question. Obama has spent over $1M to avoid answering it.
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Not only that, but, to the best of my knowledge, no Hawaiian agency has ever said that the digital image of the COLB that was posted online matches what they have on file. Not ever.
“At this point, the birth certificate ‘scandal’ is old news. Someday, years from now, the final conclusion will be known.
What concerns me is why, why, WHY has Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Dunham NOT released any of his collegiate and law school records?”
Look at the evidence. Then suppose that the author of this article is right, which is perfectly possible. THEN WHY would 0 still refuse to release his academic records?
1. One obvious reason is that they are not really that good; that he has been an affirmative-action case all along.
2. Another is that he illegitimately benefitted from scholarship aid intended for foreign students, by representing himself as Indonesian.
3. There also could be disciplinary or drug-related events in his past.
4. Few of 0’s contemporaries seem to remember very much about him, and those reports that we do have show him as basically lazy and not at all studious. His course-selections probably would indicate this.
2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.
There is one slight problem with this....The Philippines was once a US territory and enjoys a special relationship with the United States even today,
The ongoing “birther question” never quite gets the level of sophistication I’d like to see. A good case has been made
AGAINST the “magic bullet” nature of this inquiry, in that it’s seen by some people as the one thing that could discredit and then topple the entire Obama House of Cards:
the implication being that he is illegitimate in the first place, and that therefore EVERYTHING done in his name as President must be nullified, rolled back, negated.
LET’S REMEMBER THAT “ILLEGITIMACY” served as one of the Democrat’s cornerstones laid AT THE BEGINNING of the Bush Presidency, in order that that cornerstone would always be there as a “touchstone” that could get referred to over and over in order to “further” discredit or cast aspersions on Bush. My point is there were a million other things that both the Dems and Republicans could have emphasized to discredit Bush-—the Dems exploited ALL OF THESE IMMEDIATELY, the Republicans did only very grudgingly, not strongly enough, and very very slowly, but mostly were unwilling to highlight them at all, especially the out of control reckless spending........
Besides the possibility of Obama’s being “illegitimate” in the first place, is that the “Birther” issue is not something that just stands there on its own as a curious and vexing obstacle: it is JUST ONE MORE THING in an extremely troubling nexus of basic documentation and “human and paper trail” background data which is virtually ALL still a BIG BLANK. The ONLY thing I know of which has Barack Obama’s name on it was (supposedly) a piece written for the SUNDIAL, a Columbia U. student paper in the time period he was presumably a student there (1983), called “Breaking the War Mentality”. THat’s IT.
It’s ALL THIS, the lack of normal documentation which WE would have to provide to even get a JOB, that is finally what is so troubling about this President, and is the SOURCE that feeds into and is inextricably enmeshed in, the Birther issue, whether it is finally provable or not.
He is a CIPHER, and , considering what has been discovered about him for 11 months AS PRESIDENT, he is a cipher that is unlike any President any of us has ever seen: one who
“drops in on us” periodically to “check in” and make speeches,not as a President, but as a Messiah who has many flocks, the USA and its people just being one of them.
No where in this document is the phrase "natural born citizen". So Mz Freeze, try to and find some facts.
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