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Time for a new OSS: We need an agency that can take on al Qaeda
NY Post ^ | December 6, 2009 | CHARLES S. FADDIS

Posted on 12/06/2009 3:15:18 AM PST by Scanian

Last week, President Obama laid out his plan for prosecuting the 8-year-old war in Afghanistan. Thirty-thousand additional US troops will be headed to Afghanistan over the next several months, part of an intensified effort to regain territory from the Taliban and give the fledgling Afghan security forces a chance to take control of that nation. Regardless of what you think of the decision and the President’s announcement of it, here are some indisputable facts:

Al Qaeda, the organization that actually attacked us on 9/11, retains almost no presence in Afghanistan. Its central leadership now operates primarily from an area across the border in neighboring Pakistan. Its members are scattered across a host of other nations. The Taliban, the organization with which we are currently at war in Afghanistan, has almost no capability to stage international terrorist attacks and has confined its goals almost exclusively to the establishment of an Islamic state in Afghanistan. It poses no direct threat to the territory of the United States.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; intelligence; spyagencies; worldwarii
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1 posted on 12/06/2009 3:15:18 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
Just read a Vince Flynn novel and your half way home to dealing with the situation today.
The OSS was formed to work behind enemy lines in occupied countries, not quite the same situation as we have today.
The article is correct that the CIA, having been burned by the government has lost its capacity for direct action due to their risk aversion.
2 posted on 12/06/2009 3:44:33 AM PST by Recon Dad ( SSgt O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 47)
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To: Scanian

Perhaps a czar....

/smirk


3 posted on 12/06/2009 3:45:17 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: Scanian
Time for a new OSS: We need an agency that can take on al Qaeda

Any financing towards covert operations/operatives during this administration would inevitably be directed at the American people, not their enemies.

4 posted on 12/06/2009 3:50:08 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Ax; Azeem; ...

Combined MI & SOCOM Ping


5 posted on 12/06/2009 4:09:00 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Recon Dad
The article is correct that the CIA, having been burned by the government has lost its capacity for direct action due to their risk aversion.

We can't leave out congressional oversight either or the current DCI, Leon E. Panetta - a long time professional politician and Clinton's chief of staff.

6 posted on 12/06/2009 4:10:53 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Scanian

First, any new agency will devolve into the same morass as the CIA, FBI, etc. Why? Because all the political appointees and union members are the cancer inside these agencies and if you sweep them out, then these agencies will return to their aggressive, no-holds-barred approach to our enemies.

Second, expanding gov’t is never the answer.

Third, we also need to decimate the liberals who do not believe in covert actions and military tribunals before we will ever be serious about destroying international terrorism.


7 posted on 12/06/2009 4:21:05 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Scanian
This sounds like duplicating capabilities and missions, while diluting a very small pool of personnel. If the problem is organizational, it can be fixed by erasing and drawing lines on a chart--but I don't think it's organizational. It's political. If we don't have the political will to conduct a worldwide war on terror with DOD's counterterror elements and the CIA's Special Activities Division, then we won't have the political will to use OSS2, either. If we do have that will--if we have supportive leadership in the White House and on the Hill--then the uniformed services and the National Clandestine Service will rise to the occasion. I think they have demonstrated that in recent years.
8 posted on 12/06/2009 4:27:10 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Erik Latranyi
we also need to decimate the liberals who do not believe in covert actions and military tribunals

I doubt 10% would be enough to fix the problem.

9 posted on 12/06/2009 4:28:58 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Recon Dad

And “burned” will be the same fate of any organization that runs covert operations.

Do anything a lib does not like and it will be leaked to a more than willing MSM outlet that will splash the details all over the front page,


10 posted on 12/06/2009 4:47:14 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Scanian

When you have SEALs being court marshalled for, even if true, working over a snatch.....for get it.

Our college educated officer corps have grown up in bureaucratic schools, serve in a bureaucratic/managerial military, and, in this case, are so clueless and gutless, that not one officer buried/trashed/covered...had these SEALs backs....well..forget it.

Just like the puke Army ‘Chain’ of managerial command with Ft. Hood.

Forget it.

Obama, Joint Chief Casey...are, but are not, just the disease...they are the symptoms of our ‘culture’ as it were. No different than Wall Street rip off scum like Secretary of the Treasury Hank Paulson and now, little Timmy Geithner.


11 posted on 12/06/2009 5:13:00 AM PST by Leisler (We don't need a third party we need a conservative second party.)
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To: Scanian

Need Mitch Rapp...


12 posted on 12/06/2009 5:14:33 AM PST by tips up
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To: Scanian

Task Force 125 can do the job. If they’re still around.


13 posted on 12/06/2009 5:23:55 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Recon Dad

After Obama, “behind enemy lines” would be in the USA.


14 posted on 12/06/2009 5:27:05 AM PST by Hardraade
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To: Scanian

We don’t need a new OSS to successfully fight Al Qaeda. We need to unleash the hounds of war on them.

Our military has become too bureaucratic and pc to prevail against an enemy like Al Qaeda, who are primal and ruthless warriors.

No, what we need is to start fighting them in a completely unrestricted manner. We have the capacity to inflict more hurt and damage than they can bear, but we’re unwilling to do it. They see this clearly, and use our limp-wristed, political correctness against us.

Sun Tzu would tell us to surrender now, as we’re unwilling to actually defeat our enemy.


15 posted on 12/06/2009 5:29:05 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Scanian
Congress has effectively neutered the CIA with the likes of Sen. Church, his minions and others since then. Foreign intelligent agencies are reluctant to cooperate. Their hands have been blistered before. Our “assets” have at times been killed because of Congressional actions and eager media accomplices.
16 posted on 12/06/2009 5:58:30 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Scanian
It poses no direct threat to the territory of the United States.

Faddis is a moron.

There are two big reasons why we NEED to keep fighting the Taliban:

1.) Prevent them from regaining control of Afghanistan and returning to the days of providing "safe haven" to AQ. Which they'll do in a heartbeat if they get back into power.

2.) Demonstrate to the rest of the world what happens to people who try to shove a stick in our eye. After 9-11 we gave the Taliban ample opportunity to play nice with us on dealing with AQ. They threw us the middle finger instead. Big mistake, requiring that they be made examples of. Pour encourager les autres.

To a lesser degree we have friends in Afghanistan who will be, along with their families, villages, etc, be tortured and killed if AQ gets back into power. IOW a repeat of what happened when the US pulled out of SEA at the end of Vietnam. We need to set an example that we stand by our friends and those who help us.
17 posted on 12/06/2009 6:07:21 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Scanian
What we need first is an organization that can successfully carry the fight to the Liberals.

Without victory there, this war will likely be lost.

18 posted on 12/06/2009 6:15:36 AM PST by Gritty (The old Democrats lost wars out of incompetence. The new Democrats lose wars on purpose-Ann Coulter)
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To: tanknetter

How many troops do we need to defeat the Taliban?
Can we defeat them under the current rules of engagement?
Not sure we’ll ever have enough troops and even with 30,000 more how can they win under “Karzai’s 12”: troops can’t conduct surprise or night searches, can’t fire unless they absolutely positively confirm there are no civilians, can’t fire on insurgents if they’re already walking away from IED’s they planted—fire only as they’re planting the IED’s....

Andrew McCarthy writes: “The Right is snowed, the Left is appeased. We’re coming, but we’re leaving. We’re sending thousands of warriors, but they won’t be making war. We’re nation building in a place we’d have to occupy for a century to build a nation, but we’re not occupiers, and we’ll be calling it a wrap in 18 months. In the interim, Afghanistan can go off the radar while we socialize medicine, save the planet from the contrived heat death, and get ACORN busy on the midterms. We can deal with Afghanistan again in July 2011, when we’ll have a better read on the landscape for Obama’s 2012 reelection bid.”

Our leadership, the President, his cabinet, our Congress, the military, all need to be overhauled. It starts with next year’s 2010 elections. We need to let these feckless “leaders” know we are paying attention and we will not tire until they change or are replaced. In the meantime, I am not snowed.


19 posted on 12/06/2009 6:40:14 AM PST by samsmom
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To: Scanian

We don’t need a new OSS. We just need a few Bill Donovans.


20 posted on 12/06/2009 6:43:36 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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