I think I'll go put it on some other threads as well.
Posted on 12/03/2009 10:53:34 AM PST by 20 years too late
Several scientists have known for years the science was wrong and the CRU with a few others were doing things beyond normal scientific techniques to mislead the public. We couldn’t compete with the deliberate media misinformation, personal attacks and frightening orchestration disclosed in the hacked emails. Now we have the weapon but it is an atomic bomb ignored by the mainstream media and the politicians.
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AGW is both a hoax AND a conspiracy -— by the political-industrial complex.
The Nobel Committee should demand that Algore return his prize.
Here’s what always made me skeptical.
The same models used to predict global warming, predict that Mars’ 95% CO2 atmosphere, if increased in thickness TEN times, would only warm the planet 10 degrees. If that’s the case, how can a tenth of one percent on Earth make a damn difference? However, Mars has been warming on it’s own...what do Earth and Mars have in common?
SUV’s? No...
Al Gore? Sadly, No...
The Sun? Ding ding ding...
Greenhouse gases DO exist, but the biggest greenhouse gas in Earth’s atmosphere is WATER VAPOR, not CO2.
The theory of AGW never ever passed the smell test, anyone with a few neurons firing and being honest could tell you this was a hoax.
Here’s the deal, the sun deliveres to the earth 10,000 times as much energy as the entire human race consumes every day.. in fact its actually more than that, being able to capture just 1/10000th of the earth energy daily would satisfy all the energy needs of humanity not only today, but for more than 200 years we would not have to capture more than 1/10000 to keep up with growing needs.
What does this mean?
It means human beings have to use 30 years worth of total energy to equate to what the sun delivers to the earth in just 1 DAY!
Now, what do you think is the driver of climate change? Small naturally occurring variations in that massive amount of energy reachging the earth daily due to orbital shifts, sun spots, magnetic field variations and other things or the fact there are a few more parts per million in the atmosphere of a molecule that is effectively FOOD for every plant on the planet?
AGW is a lie, and it has been obvious its a lie soon after the theory was honestly studied. Of course those results were destroyed and manipulated to keep the hoax going.
You have to be an absolute moron or completely incapable of seriously analytical thinking to believe that this theory is fact.
Time to stop arguing with these fools in their folly.
Time to start calling them on their goals and motivations.
political-industrial-(and media) complex
I’ve always been rather skeptical of any “one World Government” conspiracy as alluded to by Tim Ball in the article.
But, if you want a global government, you’ll need a global economy. The concept of trading carbon credits would make a right handy “start-up” template, wouldn’t it?
BUMP!
I basically agree, but will add a caveat:
There are gases that let heat in but not out - i.e., Greenhouse Gases. CO2 technically is one but a very poor one...water vapor is much better.
What all this really means, and is verified by what you said, is that short of intentionally crashing an asteroid made of pure CO2 into earth twice a week (and having the means to do that), man can’t really alter Earth’s climate too much anymore than farting in a movie theater can increase the temperature in that theater.
There was an article I read (can’t find the link) that found that even increasing CO2 from 0.35% to 9% (that’s NINE, not zero-point-nine) would only warm Earth a couple degrees.
I don’t deny there are greenhouses gases, but as you pointed out, the greenhouse effect is mostly caused by WATER VAPOR.. and in fact I believe over 90% of the greenhouse effect is due to water vapor in the first 100 feet of the atmosphere.
And water vapor in the atmosphere has very very very little to do with anything we humans are doing.. the water cycle by its very existence keeps water vapor buildup from ever growing too high no matter what we do.
AGW is and always has been an absolute scam.
The only place where CO2 causes temperature increase is in the doctored computer models of the CRU and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). People involved in climategate also controlled key chapters of the IPCC Reports including those on atmospheric composition; paleoclimates (reconstruction of past climate); computer models and the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Manipulation of data, falsification of temperature graphs, control of publishing and peer review, selective inclusion of variables and mechanisms in computer models were all designed to make it appear CO2 was the sole driving mechanism of temperature. The 2007 IPCC Report concluded that CO2 accounted for 90% of warming in the last 30 years. It’s equivalent to saying the small left toenail controls 90% of your body.
Exactly. And we aren’t creating any more water...
AND - after reading the harry.readme file I believe he was hired after the fact NOT TO make sure the data was accurate and clean, but TO get the data to give the same results as they had published in papers before his involvment.
This became an impossible task since there was no documentation or consistancy to what they had done with the raw data and the raw data was missing.
They used data manipulation to produce certain results to get more funding based on their hoax that global warming exists. Had they just run the data and ensured that it was clean data, the results probably would not have shown that it existed or if it did that it was a threat and therefore the people wanting to redistribute wealth would not have been interested in the results.
Regardless, I don’t think there is one climatolgist that could scientifically prove
1. Global warming exists
2. Global warming is caused by man
3. Man caused global warming is harmful.
Had they not destroyed the orginal data they could start over and have the submitters clean the data up and then re-run all of their tests. Since that has happened they will have to start completely over by having the data resubmitted in a generic text file that can be read by any program. Most of the programming they did was to clean up the incomplete data that they had received.
(p.s. Did you mean: ... the results probably would not have shown that it existed or if it did that it was not a threat ...?)
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