Posted on 11/24/2009 7:51:26 PM PST by sickoflibs
There is very little difference between democrats and republicans and the people get frustrated with that. On the surface they pretend they are different and quibble about things; but at the end of the day they both want the same stuff, bigger government. They might argue on how we grow it but they all want it to be bigger and the argument is :should the taxes be 38% or 32%?’ No one is talking about having them zero or ten percent. They argue about the trivial stuff, there is no substantial difference. The Republicans are making a big deal about opposing some of these bills that Obama is promoting. But if Bush was promoting them they would all be for them and democrats would be opposing them. Look at all the big government bills we passed with all the republicans that voted for them when Bush was in the White House.
What I want to bring to Republicans is something really different and show independents they can vote republican for something really different. When people run as Republicans and say ‘Yes we want lower taxes’. If they don’t cut spending it’s all an illusion. Lower taxes mean nothing if you don’t shrink government spending. If you just give us a deficit that’s even worse because now we have to pay higher taxes in the future and interest or suffer inflation.
I want to go to Washington and NOT act like the other Republicans there and not compromise my position. Even if there are some philosophically well intentioned republicans who have been elected, once they get into the Washington culture they succumb to it. They like the job and the title and everyone is ‘Yes Mr. Congressmen, Mr. Senator’ . They feel like they are royalty and like it and want to stay there. And they know how you stay here: You cozy up to the right people, you don’t make waves, you do what the leadership says and you spend all your time raising money, and that’s how they stay in Washington. Maybe they justify it with ‘Well if I don’t to this maybe someone worse than me will come in.’
More at:
**PETER SCHIFF Something Different** Nov. 19, 2009.wmv
You make good sense. If the bottom line is we get rid of the Rino’s, that would be wonderful.
I am pretty sure Schiff would NOT be like other Republicans. I don’t believe he would cave to the corruption. Not in one term anyway. He can take the heat. I would love to hear his rants from the floor of the Senate. They would have to cover him.
The fringe media would try to make him sound crazy, of course. But I would love to see a Senator saying “Stop any spending, lower taxes, save, strengthen the dollar, no more deficits!”
Republicans repealed Glass Steagall. Baby Bush grew the government faster than any previous president, until Obama came. He said “fix Medicare”, then created another $15 trillion liability in prescription medicine benefits.
Yes, both parties got us here in a hurry.
That said, the Republicans are not for balls out communist totalitarian tyranny. The socialst commie Dems clearly are. The parties are NOT the same. But yes, they are both free spending.
After Reagan, some one said, “The Dems are tax and spend and the Republicans are borrow and spend”. He was dead right. They both freely spend OUR money. Like Clinton said, “We could give you back your money if we knew you would spend it right.”
I still pray Clinton is not buried in Arlington, so I can uphold my oath to piss on his grave. If I outlive Obama, same for him.
Schiff is right. We need libertarians and constitutional conservatives running as Republicans, to take the party back. Running as 3rd party candidates will only entrench the communist Democrat party hold on national government. A few more years like the last one under Obama, Reid and Pelosi, and we won’t have to worry about elections. They will be outlawed in favor of politicians for life. I kid you not. The arrogance of the commie Democrats knows no bounds. If they could get ban elections, they would.
They are entertaining and informative.
We specialize on the Dump Dodd rallies!!
There will be no second revolution...though better men then we in the past history might object to that. But that doesn't matter because history has shown what is the final end of such administrative absolutist government such as that and which we have re-created and was was the vogue pre Roman Republic, Communist, Socialist or any of the forms of government we recognize today in todays world. It's history goes back to antiquity.
As Albert J. Nock wrote...
The unquestioning, determined, even truculent maintenance of the attitude which Professor Ortega y Gasset so admirably describes, is obviously the life and strength of the State; and obviously too, it is now so inveterate and so widespread - one may freely call it universal - that no direct effort could overcome its inveteracy or modify it, and least of all hope to enlighten it.
This attitude can only be sapped and mined by uncountable generations of experience, in a course marked by recurrent calamity of a most appalling character. When once the predominance of this attitude in any given civilization has become inveterate, as so plainly it has become in the civilization of America, all that can be done is to leave it to work its own way out to its appointed end. The philosophic historian may content himself with pointing out and clearly elucidating its consequences, as Professor Ortega y Gasset has done, aware that after this there is no more that one can do.
“The result of this tendency,” he says, “will be fatal. Spontaneous social action will be broken up over and over again by State intervention; no new seed will be able to fructify. Society will have to live for the State, man for the governmental machine. And as after all it is only a machine, whose existence and maintenance depend on the vital supports around it, the State, after sucking out the very marrow of society, will be left bloodless, a skeleton, dead with that rusty death of machinery, more gruesome than the death of a living organism. Such was the lamentable fate of ancient civilization.”
CHAPTER 5
Our Enemy, The State
by Albert J. Nock - 1935
So do I. It's heady stuff.
I am quite impressed with Mr. Schiff. I wish him success.
Jim DeMint is a big proponent of term limits. He’s instituted a program where people can call other voters to encourage them to get on board and sign a petition he’s got going pushing term limits.
They know the people don't want health care "reform", since we already have the best health care in the world, but they counter the dimwits proposals with similar ones which are just as unconstitutional.
Ditto the "cap and tax your butts off" bill. Now that the cat's out of the bag with global warming they should be screeching to high heavens about it. Hear anything coming from D.C.? Nope, neither do I.
Only liberal Republicans do not want a Third Party. The biggest fear of Liberal Republicans is a conservative Third Party
Why give up an ace before the dealing is even done and terribly weaken your position at the table?
Can’t you see the static threat of a potential Conservative Alternative bolt—a virtual Sword of Damocles hanging over them—is what could and would keep the RINO leadership structure in the national and statewide GOPs in constant fear and trepidation? How else precisely are you going to easily arrive at your “Conservative GOP” that you talk about with the Party structure and media in the bag for RINOs against us?
Abandoning any and all options for 2012 immediately emboldens the RINOs who screw us EVERY FOUR YEARS and then ask US to get on board THEIR train.
Nope.
Not buyin that picnic basket o’ crap in 2012.
We get the platform AND the candidate we want in 2012. Otherwise, no deal.
Your post is totally 100% spot on. If the Third Party option is not there for real conservatives....we will just see another RINO selected by the GOP leadership
Anyone pushing this phony “dont vote third party” schtick just helps liberals and RINOs keeps control of the GOP.
Always question the conservatism of someone who thinks that conservatives should only vote GOP
Yes things are MUCH worse. Pres Clinton inherited a good economy. Bush Sr was generally liked and respected. The voters turned against democrats in a few months. And no one had ever seen Republicans in power so we could dream. This time 16 years ago (first year of Clinton) we were reading Rush's: “See I told you So” not "Going Rouge" about a lost election.
Republicans got an opportunity of a lifetime 2001-2006 to showcase conservatism and they made a mess: big government, the economy, defense, immigration, the debt, everything. Then somehow McCain got selected by Republicans, just as well since Obama was going to win anyway.
Yes, things are much worse than they were in 1993. In 2010 voters wont vote for Republicans, they will vote against democrats. The best we can hope for now is gridlock.
I love the way he talks, this is why I created the ping list. He will never get elected talking like this but I am still glad he says what he thinks instead. I could post these clips every day.
**SCHIFF ON SOCIAL SECURITY** Woodbury, CT Nov. 19, 2009.wmv
Pardon me for “piling on,” but your list is too short. Add Gerald Ford, Bush I, and Bob Dole to Bush II and McCain, and with the rare exception of Ronaldus Magnus you have the entire recent history of directionless republicanism.
And Reagan broke the pattern only due to his extraordinary ability to reach and inspire the base of the party - and the base of the Country - without being filtered through the party establishment and the press. Fortunately for us, he remained steadfast in his vision, his principles, and his patriotism throughout his time in office.
Third Party?
Some of us would be happy if we could get up to a Two Party system.
Right now, it’s One and a half at best.
How dense can you possibly be?
I was trying to illustrate how the Republican party is about as interested in conservative candidates as they are at securing our borders. Helllooooo?
Let me guess, after years with no conservative candidates, you haven't noticed the Republican party is run by a bunch of corrupt big government AHs? lol....
Here's another tip for ya slick, you aren't getting no conservative candidates. Your party has been undermined and compromised, much like our entire electoral process.
But feel free to believe your corrupt fat cat government insiders known as Republicans, can turn this government sponsored nightmare around.
See #37
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