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'Twilight Saga': Is 'New Moon' Selling Sex or Pushing Chastity?
ABC News ^ | 11/23/09 | DAN HARRIS

Posted on 11/23/2009 5:35:21 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

"The Twilight Saga: New Moon" features long, steamy, smoldering gazes by handsome, shirtless young men who are vampires or werewolves.

Despite those lingering, lustful looks the film includes only four kisses and not a single sex scene.

Women and girls, who made up 80 percent of the opening weekend audience, said that is one reason "The Twilight Saga" appeals to them.

"I actually like that, the fact that they don't have bedroom scenes or anything," Gabrielle Rivera, 15, said.

Clearly the storyline is working. In the first three days, the box office raked in $140.7 million, according to studio estimates.

That places "New Moon" third behind "The Dark Knight" and "Spider-Man 3" on the highest-earning films for an opening weekend on the domestic charts.

The movies are based on the "Twilight" books, written by Stephanie Meyer.

Meyer, a Mormon, wrote her lead character, Edward, to be a chaste and noble protector of his love interest, Bella.

This may explain why the movie is a hit among so-called "Twilight Moms" who have described Edward as "the perfect man."

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To: xsmommy

“People who fear their children being adversely influenced by a novel really aren’t very confident of their parenting skills, IMO.”

Folks who feed their children literary Ding-Dongs aren’t very discerning, either.

My youngest daughter is 12 - why would I WANT her to read a book about a domineering, abusive male who watches his ‘girlfriend’ sleep in her bedroom - and who is ‘good’ because of it?

I can’t stop my daughter from reading it, but I can make sure she knows how pathetic the characters and the book are!


121 posted on 11/23/2009 10:34:34 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

As i said you are entitled to your opinion and to raise your daughter however you see fit. Personally, i have no problem with my daughters reading it, they are not likely to get involved with domineering abusive vampires just from reading a book. i’ve raised them to know better : )


122 posted on 11/23/2009 10:36:37 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
You really don't have any idea what libertarianism is, do you? Or logic for that matter. Your reply is a complete non-sequitur.

The simple fact is you have awful literary taste. This isn't an issue of censorship. Rather, appalling taste from lowbrow, semiliterate women who are MUCH too old to be giggling over some teen romance novel.

123 posted on 11/23/2009 10:36:46 AM PST by CanadianLibertarian
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To: ktscarlett66
For gosh's sakes, what does a parent's not allowing their children to read a book have to do with censorship?! The word by definition means government-enforced legal restrictions on materials, not private action.

By the way, your list of reading materials is high on trash and lacking in anything substantive. "Clan of the Cave Bear"? For Pete's sake grow up.

124 posted on 11/23/2009 10:40:17 AM PST by CanadianLibertarian
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To: CanadianLibertarian

I really don’t care what you think of me, personally, or my literary taste. Personally, I don’t presume to judge others based on what they read, or even post on FR. You feel free to make whatever value judgments you deem appropriate : )


125 posted on 11/23/2009 10:40:44 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: CanadianLibertarian; xsmommy
Oh come on! You are reacting like a hysterical female to any criticism of your beloved book/movie/Edward!

Characterizing xsmommy's posts as "reacting like a hysterical female" is hilariously ironic given the next hyperbolic comment in your post:

Face it, it's a dumb story with cardboard characters, a halfa@@ed plot and pure female-oriented pornography as its only attraction.
Just out of curiosity, did you think the underwear section of the Sears & Roebuck Catalogs you used to get in the mail when you were growing up were fantastically erotic?
126 posted on 11/23/2009 11:22:35 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
I wasn't looking at catalogs when growing up. Playboy was more to my taste, and not for the articles.

I wasn't criticizing the Twilight series for pornographic content per se - but in the context of it being of a low literary standard. Read my remarks in full.

127 posted on 11/23/2009 11:36:36 AM PST by CanadianLibertarian
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To: CanadianLibertarian
I wasn't criticizing the Twilight series for pornographic content per se -

Okay, so your statement that "female oriented pornography" was its "only attraction" wasn't really your assessment of the Twilight series - per se - but rather just your way of characterizing those who read the series.

My point was that characterizing the appeal of the Twilight series (which I consider pretty lame by the way) as "female-oriented pornography" seemed a lot like the hyperbolic overreaction of those who used to find the underwear/bra section of the Sears & Roebuck catalog so offensively explicit and erotic; and it was quite ironic and amusing because of your comment that immediately preceded it.

128 posted on 11/23/2009 11:46:30 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: heartwood
It’s true that women are attracted to danger, hoping it turns to power and protection in their service, with the danger always there as a background thrill.

I agree, and I think this attraction is something we should teach young women to control, instead of glamorizing it and idealizing it in books and movies.

Just as young men should be taught to control their attraction to loose women or self-destructive machismo.

129 posted on 11/23/2009 12:03:10 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Mamzelle
When was the last time you heard the phrase, "dirty-mind"?

Mrs. Slim, 7:15 AM 11/23/2009.

130 posted on 11/23/2009 12:07:17 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: VRWCmember
It was nothing of the kind. Just because you see "hyperbole" doesn't mean it exists. You mistook my comment for some sort of prudery when in fact I am a libertarian who defends pornography.

It is simply factual that the underlying mood of the Twilight series is erotic arousal of a kind peculiar to women. That is the root of its appeal - and the reason I condemn the series on literary grounds. It's simply bad writing.

131 posted on 11/23/2009 12:14:16 PM PST by CanadianLibertarian
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To: CanadianLibertarian

As an aspiring writer I can recognize bad writing when I see it without having to read a whole book. Twilight has horrible writing and I agree, it’s basically porn for teenage girls. Women aren’t as turned on by visual images as men are, so something that elicits a similar level of arousal in woman is probably going to be less obvious than the equivalent for guys. Women don’t usually like admitting this, which is why women who read romance novels would flip out if their husbands are reading Playboy but it’s the same exact thing.

Me, I love the Harry Potter books. They aren’t literature either but the writing is better and the stories are less inane. I’d let a ten year old read Harry Potter. Heck, I might read HP to my daughter when she’s ten. But I wouldn’t allow Twilight. It’s not a concern for me because this literary flash-in-the-pan will be long forgotten by the time my daughter is a tween.


132 posted on 11/23/2009 12:15:44 PM PST by JenB
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
No, that is Ashley Greene, who plays Alice Cullen.

Kristen Stewart plays the main character :


133 posted on 11/23/2009 12:18:54 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

Thanks. She always looks scowly to me.


134 posted on 11/23/2009 12:25:49 PM PST by IMissPresidentReagan (ATTENTION RINOS: IT'S NOT THAT I'M TOO FAR RIGHT; IT'S THAT YOU'RE TOO FAR WRONG! fubo funp)
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To: mewzilla

“The fourth book carries what could arguably be called a very pro-life message.”

Considering both my *angels* read the series, it’s a very good thing.

You don’t see many *mainstream* messages like that.


135 posted on 11/23/2009 12:51:47 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Maybe there are different versions. I don’t know.

I’ve only seen the first movie but, my daughters have read all the books.

In the first movie, I was impressed that the lead vampire was able to control , not only his urge to suck her blood but, also wanting to have sex. Pretty admirable these days.

See post # 115


136 posted on 11/23/2009 12:58:22 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

Well, he did have his victorian upbringing, plus his well-founded fear that he might kill her if he had sex with her.

(In that regard, it’s like Smallville-Clark not wanting to have sex with humans because he’s afraid he’ll lose control and kill them).


137 posted on 11/23/2009 1:08:41 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: wolfcreek

I’ve read all the books. My daughter also read all the books, but then she got disgusted by the hype of the first movie, plus she likes “real” vampires, so she sold her books into the market from the 1st movie, and moved on.

We still go to the movies, we’re going today.

I thought the books were OK — but I read mostly JA fiction anyway these days, so maybe I’m just used to that level of writing.

I even read the author’s preliminary version of a book from Edward’s perspective, which I actually found more interesting than Bella’s take from the Twilight book.


138 posted on 11/23/2009 1:10:43 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CanadianLibertarian
Just because you see "hyperbole" doesn't mean it exists.

The fact that you see neither the hyperbole nor the irony doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I didn't perceive any prudery in your comment; I just noted the irony of the comment, expecially in light of your characterization of the post to which you were responding as "reacting like a hysterical female".

Also, the fact that as a libertarian you defend pornography while simultaneously condemning a book series on literary grounds is equally ironic. The fact that you can't see that speaks much more about your perception than mine.

139 posted on 11/23/2009 1:13:07 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: JenB
it’s basically porn for teenage girls

Bingo. 2 hours of it. Totally sensual. Nothing for the mind. At all. This kind of movie can help put sensitive girls in bondage.

The sensuality aspect is present in many Dracula movies as well to some degree, though the horror aspect also makes them entertaining for men. But "Twilight" is way more blatant in its sensuality.

140 posted on 11/23/2009 1:19:05 PM PST by what's up
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